Moped-enabled crime

People who spit in the street. Overdue library book. People who don't pick up their mutt's poo. People with annoying hats. Slippery slope innit.

Sorry not sorry, but everyone on here saying that its absolutely fine for police to use their cars to ram mopeds needs to GTFO.

It promotes high speed, high stakes risk taking and inevitably ends in pre-judicial killings. How long before mission creep enables the police to use their vehicles disproportionally against other vulnerable road users like cyclists.

Moped crime is horrible. Sanctioned police brutality is not the answer.

edit: ACAB

No it isn't really.

Unfortunately it is.

Enjoy https://www.law.ox.ac.uk/centres-institutes/centre-criminology/blog/2018/06/duty-destroy-or-duty-protect-dangers-police-0

Well he was charged and pleaded guilty to a list of crimes. So he wasn't innocent was he.

Moped crime is horrible. Sanctioned police brutality is not the answer.

This. Last time I checked we had a justice system that was supposed to mete out punishment, and none of the available sentences involved cracking someone's skull.

What is your solution?

Well part of the problem is that mopeds are easily and readily available to anyone who is brazen enough to want to steal one because they have virtually no viable anti-theft.

This sets a criminal cultural climate that enables this to happen.

Probably a good place to start.

So, it's the moped owner's faults?

Gotcha.

Who said that?

You. If their mopeds weren't so easy to steal then there would be no moped crime???

Admittedly, I joined the dots for you.

Sanctioned police brutality

But it isn't that.

It is a procedure used by trained drivers in very specific circumstances- I assume that the speed of car and moped, surrounding factors like other cars and peds etc are taken into account when deploying the tactic.

Still, ACAB so what can you do?

No, you obtusely joined the dots for yourself.

If that's the only thing on offer then it's not your fault if it's not fit for purpose.

Bad product with a poorly addressed theft issue.

Assuming theives prepared to use violence to aquire smartphones won't(don't already) just use the same methods to source scooters?

A side point, I doubt the majority of the phone snatching squads/riders/muggers would be involved in the initial moped theft. I suspect as is true with most criminal groups there is a division of labour.

Also it's hard to talk about the clusterfuck that moped crime policing is without mentioning the 20% reduction in Met budget since 2010.

won't(don't already) just use the same methods to source scooters

Yes and no, simply because there's an over abundance of Scooters and Mopeds in London, and stealing them is laughably easy. Literally 30 seconds. Utilize for nefarious deeds, dump, and acquire another.
Another use (this is what happened to me) is to use scooters to ambush and steal bigger bikes for more profit.
As @Batt They are poorly designed against theft.

Yes the cuts are a disgrace but at the specific moment in time where a moped has failed to stop and is proceeding at speed to evade Police in a built-up area, how exactly will more officers help?

I'd argue what you've just described is sanctioned police procedure that can and likely will be used incorrectly at some point, in a brutal and disproportionate way.

Not necessarily more officers but bobbies on the beat might help in certain indirect ways; deterrents, community outreach, etc.

But budget in terms of policing means more invasive, better staffed operations and more resources to prosecute.

Why do you care about police numbers reducing, you think ACAB, do all snitches get stitches and other wannabe gangster sayings apppy as well?

My scooter (Xmax 250) has more security than any of my motorbikes- key immobiliser and currently has three lock on it, none of which is much good if someone pulls a blade on you at a set of lights.

Police in a built-up area, how exactly will more officers help?

How will a car?

more resources to prosecute.

You need to catch them to prosecute them hence tactical ramming