Moped-enabled crime

The police didn't strike the moped, he just crashed. he'd been stopped 69 times in 3 years.

Everyone in the vids seemed to get straight up so seems a proportionate use of force.

It's a controversial case.

Henry Hicks clearly did nothing to justify dying in a police chase but he was not the angel that his family continue to portray him as. Sure, tragic death but at some point, an individual has to bare responsibility for the decisions they make and the dangers they invite.

His family continue to believe that Hicks was murdered by police.

@ philDas - maybe? I think it would need to be something they'd witnessed, or at the least had a very good description and that had just happened.

Presumably the scooter rider could just pull over if they’d not robbed anyone?

Scared kids make stupid decisions all the time.

I think I’d beg to differ on scared.

If you're twatting someone off a scooter with a car, there's always an element of luck that they get up again.

The Hicks family at 30:20

https://youtu.be/yq3IVYaYep8?t=1821

There’s an element of luck in all activities, but everyone in those vids got up and some ran off, possibly because they were not being twatted off. But shit give everyone who runs off a free pass.

Well, I'm just going on the guardian article. All it really said was they'd knocked off 63 suspects this year. Not what they were suspected of, whether they were hurt, or if they were subsequently charged and convicted. Hardly surprising that running over suspects has a deterrent effect.

I'd say so, it ticks all the boxes.

They're not going to post up the videos of the incidents where the suspects don't get up, are they. Seriously brain damaged? Permanently disabled? Unconscious? Dying ... sooner or later.

This!

There's not a snowballs chance in hell the Police would even be able use cars to move, let alone give chase centrally during peak hours.
The hardy criminal will not be deterred by all this and will just plan accordingly.

I feel like this is just a bit of propaganda.

Look how since hicks died smoking weed in Islington stopped.

His family continue to believe that Hicks was murdered by police.

Organised crime family thinks police are out to get them. Shocker.

Don't run from the cops or you might pay the price or even better don't break the law in the first place and you won't get chased by the cops.. It's not rocket science.

If you could link to reporting on those seriously injured in low speed impacts that would be great thanks.

If you could link to reporting on those seriously injured in low speed impacts that would be great thanks.

Again, they're not going to post up the videos of the incidents where the suspects don't get up, are they? Having said that, there will almost certainly be some, but not on the internet AFAIK. I find the videos posted rather unpleasant to watch, even though the police actions may unfortunately be necessary. As @Chak & @Clockwise point out, it probably only amounts to propaganda, but let's hope its influence at least slows up the current moped crime wave.

*Edit: I neither implied nor suggested there was any actual reporting of figures on serious injuries in low speed impacts relating to this "tactical contact", but speculated on what we know is likely to be the eventual outcome in some cases.

almost certainly be some

No video, but you were right about sooner or later.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/04/met-police-driver-faces-criminal-investigation-after-ramming-moped

He had serious head injuries but released after a few days in hospital? Can't have been to serious then.

Sounds like he got what he deserved to be honest.

Sounds like he got what he deserved to be honest.

I can see why people say this, but not a particular fan of this statement, as it can be a slippery slope to the blame game.
Do you have any idea what he did, because it just states 'offences' rather than anything concrete. Does it justify being rammed off by a vehicle with no idea of the outcome to ones person?
It's also out in the London/Kent border, so it's not in crime central and until proven, I very much doubt related to the spate of crime Being experienced in London.
Hardly a deterrent that warrants being used no?

I would rather 100% certainty of a pursuit being ended regardless of injuries being sustained by riders not stopping for Police than even a few percent chance somebody minding their own business getting hurt due to actions of the moped rider.

If there is no justification for the ramming then obviously the officer driving should be punished like any other motorist.

Driving off at speed in built-up areas is justification in my opinion.

Informing my opinion is having seen first-hand some of these frightening incidents, thefts and crashes.

I dunno.

I've been on the side of both. I've been attacked/threatened twice by moped riders, and I've also been rammed whilst on the motorbike.
Personally the latter was more alarming as there was a massive lack of control.

Like you said, it's a justified action thing, but far trickier I believe, as which crime deserves what? Simply driving fast on a moped is more likely to result in the rider being injured as opposed to bystander.

Quick search says there were 19,000 odd casualties for Motorcyclist/moped user in 2016. 44% in London and SE. 32% between ages of 17/24.

I wonder if there was any sort of relationship (not to ramming) to crime.

A old mate of mine, Frankie Bish, was killed by two scrotes on a stolen moped while crossing a road in Romford about a year ago. So although I understand the arguments, I think that if you’re charging around and robbing people at the same time, then I’m all for ramming the little cunts off into the middle of the next postcode. Sorry.