Moped-enabled crime

Confused why you're wound up about ACAB and also what that's got to do with "Why do you care about probably life numbers reducing". Also not sure what that bit really means TBH.

key immobiliser and currently has three lock on it, none of which is much good if someone pulls a blade on you at a set of lights.

Yeah but it would be one less moped jacked for jacking phones and other bikes. Maybe get a GPS tracker too.

Mate .. kids on mopeds are running around for organised gangs. You think a handful of arrests through brutal means is going to solve the problem?

The curse of auto correct and fat fingers. Im not sure why anyone who goes around posting all coppers are bastards would be concerned about falling police numbers. The point about the key immobiliser is my scooter already has about as much security as you can fit to a bike. GPS ain’t going to stop people knicking scooters.
One of the problems with these arseholes going around grabbing iPhones and battering members of the public is theyre not in organised gangs they are in fairly shambolic low grade criminal groups which makes traditional intelligence gathering very difficult.

I think you can support the idea of policing but disagree with how its done ... no?

And no, GPS won't stop it getting nicked — but might help police locate stolen mopeds and the thugs you're so keen to see prosecuted.

True they're low-grade, street thugs but they're usually directly or indirectly related to groups involved in broader and much more serious types of crime. What do you think they do with the phones? Sell them on eBay?

Keep my motorbike locked with 4 locks, not including the steering lock or immobiliser. But if someone comes at me at traffic lights with a hammer*, what good were the locks?

I think its the right tactic when used by trained officers in very specific circumstances if even only as a deterrent in that it kicks out of them the belief that they won't be chased.

*I'd actually boot it, I'm not getting stabbed for my keys and phone

but might help police locate stolen mopeds and the thugs you're so keen to see prosecuted.

No it won't

Why not?

the thugs you're so keen to see prosecuted.

You make that sound like a bad idea- wierd. I suspect that when they steal a phone they use it to call their supplier in Columbia then contact the hawalah to hand over the money for the gear. After that they use it to arrange meeting the mothership of south west Ireland and decant their drugs onto a RHIB before coming back to Stockwell- either that or they just flog it

Because it just doesn't work.

1. Thieves are clued up to them.
   
2. Response times are rubbish
   
3. Authorities still won't do anything about it. Motorcycle theft, like Bicycle theft, is a very low priority.
   

For one, you need actual numbers of police officers and equipment to trace the GPS and look for the stolen bikes, which means manpower and investment that isn't there.

And two, Chak has coverered all of it above.

So rather than a concrete proposal (ha) to stop moped theives as close to the crime as possible I think you are advocating some trail of victims approach?

So maybe if they catch the criminals a few hours/days/weeks later subsequent victims can get a warm glow to know that the crime committed against them among a score of others are 'asked to be taken into consideration' when a guilty plea has been entered.

As others have said, there isn’t policing power to bother following it up.
They literally just won’t turn up if you give them the exact address of the stolen bike.
A lot of trackers won’t work if the bike is simply stored under a roof like in a garage.
It is very low priority despite the fact that they’re often used in higher priority crimes.

Cool, so just for information purposes, can we start a list of all crimes where corporal punishment is acceptable?

1. Moped theft
   
2. Muggings
   
3. Escaping from Police
   

1. Moped theft
   
2. Muggings
   
3. Escaping from Police
   
4. Playing Christmas songs before December
   

Shit, if I'd known that, so many people would be in hospital right now.

1. Moped theft
   
2. Muggings
   
3. Escaping from Police
   
4. Playing Christmas songs before December
   
5. Playing Christmas songs in December but NOT followed by azaan or pooja
   
6. Use of Balti paste
   

For some reason I have 'Rudolf the red nose reindeer' stuck in my head today.

corporal punishment

Except it isn't. They're not saying stand here while we drive at you. It is a technique used to bring a pursuit to an end in as much of a controlled way as possible to stop the public or the offenders getting hurt more seriously.
Its not a punishment at all.
You'd not have a problem if thieves in cars had their tyres spiked at speed or their cars spun. Are those just under the danger threshold for you to deem it acceptable?

@underuser53929 no but gangs related to extortion, armed robbery, drug dealing ... often or not the phones are either broken up for batteries / screen parts or sold to other countries en mass to black market buyers.

@chak @c00ps Most things I've read online point to the contrary ... both sides seem like conjecture, not seen any stats either way.

@|³|MA3K I don't know how you got that. I disagree with a controversial police tactic which was most likely sanctioned for PR purposes. I've suggested that militant police action can lead to brutality and mission creep and I've suggested that the problem is systemic and can be tackled at lot's of different junctures, which is fundamentally true. Part of that is crime scene response and chase — I'm taking issue with what form that takes.

Also, I think it's an odd position to hold that you can criticise only and if you have a "concrete" alternative. But it is true — I've got no concrete alternative to a potentially dangerous and irresponsible use of force that could lend itself to pre-judicial killings. Fuck me sideways

@PhilDAS

Not sure where I said I was fine with that. I must admit, it's a really long post, it'll take me some time to go back through and double check all the things I said.

Yeah facetiousness is cool too

I mean, if you want to put words in my mouth expect a cunt reply.

Criminal gets into any vehicle at all.
Lets just follow them until they decide to stop and hand themselves in or run out of petrol.

^
Every police chase ever without tactics to end the chase.

Yeah but you get on a moped

Not sure where I said that you said anything so I think you've missed the point.
Making not exactly wild assumptions is fairly standard in conversation I thought