Weight / Fat loss

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Hm, not sure what to do with this. Too many options. :)

fat is energy storage.

exactly; so can anyone tell me how it would be possible for any person, whatever exercise they do, to take in more energy than they use and not store that energy as fat? Where else can it go? And how can the time of day that this excess energy is taken in have an effect (measuring weight over a week say rather than from day to day)? And how can the source of this energy make any difference? Once it is in you surely a calorie is a calorie? If you store it you gain weight, if you use it you don't?

fat is your bodies main fuel source during the day. with enough oxygen it makes more energy ie atp, than carbs. you will only switch to carbs when oxygen delivery is not enough for fat metabolism. which is roughly 80% max hr or ventilatory threshold.

can do high intensity exercise, use carbs as fuel source, but increase resting metabolism and burn fat then.
or
low intensity exercise ie walking, where you burn fat during activity plus increase resting metabolosm and burn fat then. although requires more time.

being overweight or more importantly obese, hurts u and society

also exxess carbs get stored as fat.

smyth - sorry I don't accept that. how easy you put on muscle is primarily determined by your testosterone level, which decreases with age. somatotypes are pretty irrelevant, sounds like a bit of a cop out tbh. 'i can't weight train, my body type is all wrong for it' :). put on 15kg of muscle and you'll be calling yourself a mesomorph.

unless i want to become a sprinter i have no reason to put on 15kg of muscle especially as i only weigh 64kg.
i'm not copping out of anything. if i up my cycling/training i gain a small amount of muscle and lose a tiny amount of fat in total about 2-3lbs

My understanding is the heart needs to be elevated to a rate of exertion where you can maintain conversation for at least thirty minutes to activate the fatburning energy pathway. Long rides are perfect for this.

As someone who remained chubby but fit doing fencing I can vouch for the fact that short spurts of exertion don't make a great impact on your body fat.

Thing is it has to be a regular thing or the body will just go into shock mode and you will eat everything in sight.

So start with something like a long forum ride and then weekly build up the distance and average speed whilst still staying moderately active.

Henners, I've lost two stone in 4 months - the things that have had the greatest impact for me is cut out the bread [fuck, I miss toast…] not so much the carbs in bread but all those lovely fats and sugars you put on top of it

I cycle to work before brekkie, have a nana and museli when I get in, have a couple of wraps for lunch [just salads a dab of hummous an some lean meat] and then a really small dinner

drink loads of aqua [I drink the fizzy stuff cos it seems more exciting than tap water]

secret craving weapon - dark chocolate in the freezer - just one strip lasts for ages, gives you the 'mouthfeel' that i sometimes crave and it feels like you've eaten a whole bar

We must have done this before.

Eat less.

End of thread. Hippy wins.

You are what you eat, exercise is fairly inconsequintial compared to dietary habits for manipulating body composition.

OK back in Jan I watched a Horizon program (Why Aren't Thin People Fat is on BBC Two at 2100 GMT on Monday, 26 January) - can't find it on iplayer but here is an article on it...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7838668.stm
Anyhow it was really interesting. 10 volunteers had to eat double their calories for a month. Some of them only put on 1% body weight. One dude put on muscle as his metabolic rate (think they measured this as breathing rate whilst resting) had increased to compensate for the additional calories. It was super interesting to see how different physiologies reacted to calorific abuse.

also exxess carbs get stored as fat.

Excess calories from any source gets stored as fat. The difference with carbs is that they cause an insulin response from the body.

The effect is to rush nutrients into cells, which is the reason why some people have post-training carbs with their protein supplements. It helps it all be utilised more effectively.

Some "body builders" (gasp!) even inject themselves with extra insulin to maximise this effect.

But when your body isnt in massive need of all these nutrients/fuel and you go and load up on Carbs. It just increases the tendency to store all of this as fat.*

*Popular thought (I am not a biologist)

what does fat actually do? is it there in case a famine comes along?
you would have thought evolution would have got rid of it along with nipples on men.

Insulation.

Fat is a sign of wealth and status, just stroll around the finer parts of london and look at the size of the ass on some of those 4X4 drivers.

Eskimos are not fat.. also fat gets cold and stays cold

So much bullshit and misinformation around "losing weight".

• Almost every single human on the planet can only lose 1-2lbs of fat a week - no exceptions. Anything else is water or muscle or stomach contents.
  
• There are no shortcuts.
  
• Everyone has a genetic predisposition to being an ectomorph, endomorph or mesomorph. Trying to change your natural body composition to a large degree will require a huge amount of dedication but everyone can be a healthier, fitter YOU.
  
• If you consume less Kcal than you expend you will lose "weight", doesn't matter where those Kcals come from (fat, protein, carbohydrates).
  
• Fat cannot turn into muscle, muscle cannot turn into fat.
  
• Excess carbs do not get stored as fat - excess Kcal get stored as fat.
  
• Carbs are not evil! If you are a type 1 (insulin dependant) diebetic this may not be 100% true!
  
• If you lift weights you need a lot of high quality Kcal, probably more than you realise, mostly from protein (containing all essential amino acids i.e. animal protein) to fuel muscle growth.
  
• If it sounds too good to be true, it is.
  
• Unless you are really in tune with the balance of carbs, fat and protein that you personally need and are very serious about training for performance, don't worry about your diet too much. Eat fresh, low fat foods, avoid processed food, do as much exercise as you can.
  

End of thread. Hippy wins.
You are what you eat, exercise is fairly inconsequential compared to dietary habits for manipulating body composition.

I agree with DFP (shit that must be a first!).

Although I wish it wasn't the case.. damn I love eating.

One dude put on muscle as his metabolic rate (think they measured this as breathing rate whilst resting) had increased to compensate for the additional calories. It was super interesting to see how different physiologies reacted to calorific abuse.

I saw that, it was all very predictable and common sense. Overall weight gain will equal muscle gain in any person, even some total couch potato. The fellow in question was a very lean east asian. He has very little bodyfat to begin with and was fairly well muscled (genetics/hormones). Judging by his appearance (of almost no bodyfat stores) it would be fair to assume he lives on a borderline calorific intake, it is clear that his body would grow more muscle by merely increasing calories before deciding to pack on fat.

Also, "metabolic rate" increases in correlation to bodyweight. Because if you are a bigger person, you need more energy to function. The only real way to increase your metabolism is to increase your bodyweight. Even then, the changes are small.

If you ever read stuff about eating small meals more often to increase metabolism, that is codswollop.

I also noticed you said calorie abuse, thats a bit of a silly term. Unless you are a creationist, you can surely understand that it would be in our survival instincts to eat as much as possible whenever we can. Why do you think high fat, high carb foods & meat all taste so good? Why do you think children in particular yearn for sweet things even more than adults?

"Excess carbs do not get stored as fat - excess Kcal get stored as fat."

Carbs are a source of energy so that statement is wrong.

How much carb in crab?

Just to explain

I love food too much to eat less

Hence exercise more and I have graduated to being allowed two puddings when dining out.

Excess carbs do not get stored as fat - excess Kcal get stored as fat."

Carbs are a source of energy so that statement is wrong.

No its not. Everything you eat and drink is a source of energy (measured in Kcal or Kilocalories) so it doesn't matter what form the excess Kcal take: fat, carbs or protein. If it's in excess of your daily Kcal requirement it will be stored as fat regardless of the form in which it was origionally ingested. All excess energy is stored as bodyfat.

Just to explain

I love food too much to eat less

Hence exercise more and I have graduated to being allowed two puddings when dining out.

Exactly, I exercise hard so I can live a hedonistic lifestyle

Excess carbs do not get stored as fat. All excess energy is stored as bodyfat.

Right, so those excess carbs that are a form of energy..

what happens to them?

Dale, you and Henry both should know that when you burn fats as a fuel source you create ketones. Not good! But I guess the fat has to go somewhere, so it's being burnt one way or another.

Ketosis is when you have no liver glycogen apparently (Checking on wikipedia..) so either after bonking, or starvation. You'll be burning fat whatever you do, just in different proportions with glycogen stores depending on available oxygen from the blood.

I think.

I'd say cut out the beer, when I did for three months, dropped back to being a 36" waist from being a 38" and made it so that everyone who sees my passport photo from before seems to believe I'm some sort of overweight monster.

Mr Blackfoot is quite correct. It's regrettable, but beer make you fat. Try red wine or vodka if you must drink, but don't go all Keith Moon with it.

Also, buy a steamer and cook your veg that way. Spinach is an excellent way of burning fat because it takes more energy to break it down than is actually held within it.

I'm a scrawny fucker because I have the metabolism of a greyhound, but one day it'll grind to a halt and I'll pack on the belly-timber if I'm not careful. Which is why I can consume whatever I like, but in moderation.

[QUOTE=Damaged;1496160]So much bullshit and misinformation around "losing weight".

• Almost every single human on the planet can only lose 1-2lbs of fat a week - no exceptions. Anything else is water or muscle or stomach contents.
  
  

Not True. There are many people running so low on bodyfat, that 1-2lbs in a week would be impossible and may cause serious health problems.

• There are no shortcuts.
  
  

Lipsuction, Diet Pills, parasitic worms, bulimia, Injecting Hormones or Heroin.

• Everyone has a genetic predisposition to being an ectomorph, endomorph or mesomorph.
  
  

Just plain nonsense, the "morph" types are vast generalisations which can be meaningless for many people.

• Fat cannot turn into muscle, muscle cannot turn into fat.
  
  

True, but energy from excess fat can help build muscle. And also muscle can be broken down by body to use as fuel.

• Excess carbs do not get stored as fat - excess Kcal get stored as fat
  
  

What hippy said. Furthermore, Carbs can elevate insulin which is a powerful weight gaining agent.

• If you lift weights you need a lot of high quality Kcal, probably more than you realise, mostly from protein (containing all essential amino acids i.e. animal protein) to fuel muscle growth.
  
  

Hahahaha!!! Getting your calories from protein would be ridiculously innefficient, expensive and possibly lead to health problems as we all need essential fatty acids to survive. Essential amino acids do not need to come from animal protein (although it is favourable). If it did all the vegans in the world would be dead.