Weight / Fat loss

What is this bollocks? It's fuel for cycling.
Eat your proper food and your vitamin pills afterwards.

lol eat proper food and you won't need any vitamin pills

lol eat proper food and you won't need any vitamin pills

Not necessarily. Medical conditions prevent some people getting enough of certain nutrients through normal foodstuffs. Supplements can help.

Not necessarily. Medical conditions prevent some people getting enough of certain nutrients through normal foodstuffs. Supplements can help.

supplements can hinder as well

There's a hint of Mosque in the air

supplements can hinder as well

Yes they can be harmful too. Your point?

Yes they can be harmful too. Your point?

any vitamin found in a pill can be found in food, with food though the vitamins will have their supporting phytochemicals. Balanced as nature intended. It has worked for how many years?

/facepalm

Wac

Fuckin hell Henry....

any vitamin found in a pill can be found in food, with food though the vitamins will have their supporting phytochemicals. Balanced as nature intended. It has worked for how many years? /facepalm

That's great. What about lactose intolerant people or vegetarian athletes?

"In Great Britain and the United States, about 30 per cent of adult women and 40 per cent of adolescent women are iron deficient, while around 6 per cent of both groups suffer from true iron-deficiency anaemia. However, studies of athletes report higher frequencies of iron problems; research indicates that up to 19 per cent of swimmers and runners may be troubled by iron-deficiency anaemia, which can have a strongly negative impact on performance."

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/female-athletes-and-iron-deficiency-anaemia-752

If you can get the proper nutrients from a food source, of course you should have the food source but this isn't always possible and that's where supplements can be used.

That's great. What about lactose intolerant people or vegetarian athletes?

"In Great Britain and the United States, about 30 per cent of adult women and 40 per cent of adolescent women are iron deficient, while around 6 per cent of both groups suffer from true iron-deficiency anaemia. However, studies of athletes report higher frequencies of iron problems; research indicates that up to 19 per cent of swimmers and runners may be troubled by iron-deficiency anaemia, which can have a strongly negative impact on performance."

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/female-athletes-and-iron-deficiency-anaemia-752

If you can get the proper nutrients from a food source, of course you should have the food source but this isn't always possible and that's where supplements can be used.

lol....why isn't it possible to get iron from food then?

Magnets

^fact

lol....why isn't it possible to get iron from food then?

Do some googling.. find out how many 'greens' someone would have to eat to meet their daily iron requirements.

Do some googling.. find out how many 'greens' someone would have to eat to meet their daily iron requirements.

Why? since when do we look to 'greens' for iron?

Why? since when do we look to 'greens' for iron?

Since anvils are too chewy.

Male:
Excess:
25+
Average:
18-24
Fitness:
14-18
Athletes:
6-13
Essential:
2-5

For women add about 8%.

Aiming for 14%

Aiming for sub 10.
I will get there. I must.

On the note of vitamin/ mineral supplementation- there's a signifigant effect of some on each other.
http://www.ajcn.org/content/68/1/3.full.pdf

Some foodstuffs fuck with iron too- phytates?
ahh fuck it- wiki says this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_iron_metabolism#Reasons_for_iron_deficiency

I tried to read that pdf about iron deficiently but have drunk too much wine to comprehend even the first paragraph. Can I get a tl;dr sypnosis plz?

I reckon I might be iron deficient. I don't eat much meat or iron-high food, I drink lots of strong tea and I often get mouth ulcers which apparently can be a sign of that.

what, drinking strong tea causes mouth ulcers?

No, but on the wiki page that eyebrows just linked it says that tannins can inhibit iron absorption

Nutritional deficiency. This can result due to a lack of dietary iron or consumption of foods that inhibit iron absorption, including calcium, phytates and tannins. Black tea steeped for long has high tannins
a deficiency of which can cause mouth ulcers (although I'm not sure if that's entirely true since I read it on a random place on the internet)

Sorry to get graphic, but that special regular blood loss that you women folk have means that for those of you who dont have much Iron intake, then deficiencies are common.

But its nowt to worry about, not like you are going to become ill from slight less than optimal amounts of iron. You will probably feel like you have more energy and better recovery if you get more of the stuff. But then you will feel better by eating Red Meat regardless for a variety of reasons.

I am pretty certain that your mouth ulcers have nothing to do with Iron deficiency. It is much more likely to be stress related.

I see what you're saying but happily that 'occurrence' doesn't happen to me. I'm special. I have an injection to stop it. (It also stops babies. It's very convenient.)

Are those scales actually accurate though? I'd like to get one if they are legit. According to BMI I'm right on the edge of underweight, but I'm really short, and I have a much smaller frame that other people my height (as anyone who has seen the size of my wrists and hands will confirm), so although I may be trim I'm definitely not underweight.

My electronic scales put me at 25% bodyfat on the couch potato mode. I had a dexa scan which put me at 24%, so in that particular case it is fairly accurate. The athlete mode puts me at 12% though which is nonsense.

I see what you're saying but happily that 'occurrence' doesn't happen to me. I'm special. I have an injection to stop it. (It also stops babies. It's very convenient.)

Well, if you are concerned about your body composition and particularly fat. You may want to look into the effects of extra lady hormones. But your situation should mean that anaemia is pretty much impossible.

Also, wikipedia says this about progesterone;

It may affect gum health, increasing risk of gingivitis (gum inflammation) and tooth decay.[citation needed]

Which again might be meaningless as it doesn't even have a citation, but there you go.

This thread is getting very interesting.

Henry you've changed loads! Is that all from this year?

My scales do have a fat % but I'm not sure how true it is. But so long as It's consistent I don't mind too much.

My plans are going well, absolutely no sweet stuff in the evening, smaller meal in the evening. This with my lack of sleep recently and keeping an eye on what I'm eating is working well. I know that this alone will only get me so far though.