Android phones, apps and tablets

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As with every BlackBerry we've used, the battery life on the Torch seemed exceptional to us. In comparison to most other phones we've tested recently, RIM's offering sits at the top of the heap in terms of longevity. There were actually a few days we tested without charging overnight, and when we awoke we were surprised to find that the battery indicator had barely moved -- even with lots of emails and messages coming down while we were sleeping.
](http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/)

Although to be fair my Android does this, by under-clocking with the screen off

Found a different charger in the house for the xperia 10, still won't switch on.
Cant wait to get the new handset tomorrow, I feel like Ive taken 4 steps back using an old nokia phone

[URL="http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/"][/URL]

Although to be fair my Android does this, by under-clocking with the screen off

No, Blackberry's do something different.

Basically the reason that Blackberry battery life is exceptional comes down to their centralised servers and relationship with networks.

BB use the spare bandwidth within the ping space of the phone and a cell tower to transmit alerts, notifications and small pieces of text.

Which means that just by being on and telling a cell tower where it is, the BB can receive emails, alerts, notifications, BB messenger and SMS without having to make any connection to WiFi, GPRS, etc.

Without the need to use those other networks, the BB doesn't send power to those functions on the device... thus battery life on a BB massively outperforms other devices.

This is all only possible because of BB having those centralised servers and close relationships with network providers. They also own the patents on this stuff, which prevents others copying it.

To say that any Android or Apple device does something similar is just incorrect. I love my Android but I'm not going to kid myself about battery life and the dependability of it compared to a BB.

If you use lots of Apple stuff: Buy an iPhone.
If you use lots of Google stuff or apps: Buy an Android.
If you use neither and don't care too much about apps but want reliability and battery life: Buy a Blackberry.
If you only want to make phonecalls and text and never ever access much else: Buy a Nokia.

Yet again, VB speaks the truth.

I think I might start to hate him if I didn't like him so much.

thanks for that vb, truth is my old pearl is dying and i've been looking at this thread apprehensively, feeling ever so slightly overwhelmed by sheer choice, os/rom updates etc..

anyway you've helped me get back in touch with what i really want; productivity, reliability and longevity

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No, Blackberry's do something different.

I meant it lasts well overnight, like a BB, not that it does the same thing as a BB

[I agree with you though, I think: tl;dr]

No, Blackberry's do something different.

If you use lots of Apple stuff: Buy an iPhone.
If you use lots of Google stuff or apps: Buy an Android.
If you use neither and don't care too much about apps but want reliability and battery life: Buy a Blackberry.
If you only want to make phonecalls and text and never ever access much else: Buy a Nokia.

Your talents are wasted on this place.

Send this summary to every phone reseller there is.

btw Lil's issues with the reseller seem to enforce Hippy's suggestion about buying contract free. I'm not sure where the re-seller stands if they have 'given' you the phone on a contract.

Does anyone know the legal side of this? Does the hardware still fall under trade descriptions?

Honest response: Get a Blackberry Touch.

banned

So.. the Wildfire will not run angry birds, even now it's in the market it just doesn't show up. It doesn't run Google Earth either. It's going.

Anyone want to buy a lightly used HTC Wildfire..?

So.. the Wildfire will not run angry birds, even now it's in the market it just doesn't show up. It doesn't run Google Earth either. It's going.
Anyone want to buy a lightly used HTC Wildfire..?

hippy is always right*..
http://www.lfgss.com/post1605478-2464.html

*except for the times he's wrong, shhh

No really, why won't it run Angry Birds?

They're working on a fix.. and apparently it works maybe only on CM6..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=779976

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=809295

Oh I know, I think I'd even already admitted that!

Well it's not in the market place, I have installed a few apps without the market place but I just want to go there and install it really. Is that too much to ask? I'll have a go in a bit.

Anyway I've got a completely unexpected bonus from work coming, not a lot but enough to cover the difference between a Wildfire and a Desire. I refuse to spend it on something sensible and I've come round to the wonderous screen on the Desire =)

I wonder if the i7500 will play Angry Birds?

Eightball, I agree with the boss, and others, that a Blackberry may be the answer. I have owned sevearl Blackberrys, and will soon replace my BOLD with the TORCH. But, I am addicted to my Desire in a way that I'm not so much with the Blackberry. The Blackberry is a tool for effiency and function. The Android device is fun, and almost limitless in possibilities for me, .......once I buy some backup batteries.

What happens if you scan this barcode?

(it's for Angry Birds)

Is Nick Black from Cloudmade on here?
He mentioned "fixed wheels" twice during his talk today at Droidcon.

maybe he meant the fixed gears app?

What happens if you scan this barcode?

(it's for Angry Birds)

works

anyone know a decent music streaming app for android...

i used airplay on my ishit, but would like something similar... ie a simple server on my home laptop and be able to connact to wifi at work and stream the music off my lappy to my handset at work... ie i cant fit all my music on my phone so want to be able to play it this way...

Thanks Stevo, thought as much. Wildfire scans it fine, but when you press open browser, error message. Same problem with Google Earth.

Wildfire is going. Never mind Angry Birds, Angry Fox more like...

maybe he meant the fixed gears app?

No, he mentioned navigating like "say you were riding your fixie skidder* along".

*he didn't say that.

yeah, doesn't work on my mrs' wildfire either

I'm annoyed because we get treated like second class citizens, still no Froyo, major apps don't work, you get the picture. It's the perfect phone for someone who doesn't really care about this sort of stuff though, generally I'm very happy with it.

I'm annoyed because we get treated like second class citizens, still no Froyo, major apps don't work, you get the picture. It's the perfect phone for someone who doesn't really care about this sort of stuff though, generally I'm very happy with it.

If phones don't have at least an 800Mhz cpu, and preferably a 1Ghz cpu, or faster, they will get left behind. Depends on if games are important to the user, and what type of games.

In mind of phones needing faster processors, to play the latest and best games, here's the latest phones that should do a good job.

1Ghz
Acer Stream
Dell Streak (being upgraded to 2.1, then 2.2)
Google Nexus One
HTC Desire
HTC Desire HD
Motorola Milestone 2
Samsung Galaxy S
Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 (being upgraded to 2.1)

800Mhz
Acer Liquid
Acer Liquid E
HTC Desire Z
Motorola Defy
T-Mobile G2

I'm annoyed because we get treated like second class citizens, still no Froyo, major apps don't work, you get the picture. It's the perfect phone for someone who doesn't really care about this sort of stuff though, generally I'm very happy with it.

When did you buy the phone? When did HTC say it would have 2.2?
I do find it a bit funny that that people buy phones and expect it to run future iterations of the chosen OS. No one buys a computer expecting it to run Windows 8..

You did buy the BUDGET HTC option.

Anyway, the Samsung with GAOSP 2.2 didn't find Angry Birds in the Market.

This says it's out:
http://www.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2010/8/3/htc-wildfire-android-22-update-released/

If phones don't have at least an 800Mhz cpu, and preferably a 1Ghz cpu, or faster, they will get left behind. Depends on if games are important to the user, and what type of games.

It's not all about the cpu clock speed. For example, although it's 800Mhz the Desire Z has the newer 45Nm/Adreno 205 GPU chipset, which has better graphics capabilities than the Desire and actually has a 1Ghz max clock speed so is perhaps a clocked down version of what's in the Desire HD. If you want speed as opposed to battery life - custom ROM, overclock, job done.

I had a long chat today with a guy from Qualcomm about chipsets and their clock speeds and how they are often claiming best case speeds but then have to clock them down because they eat batteries anyway.

You should've seen the developer device they had there. About $999 and you can get hold of the latest Qualcomm chipset built into a large phone for testing/dev purposes. It's not meant for normal phone use (I bet people will use it though) and comes with stuff like 12MP camera, HDMI out, 3D accelerometers, GPS, wifi, hooks into the chips so you can measure power use, all kinds of stuff.. fucking awesome device.