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• #6727
The great Stewart Lee has funny things to say about the right to be offended, and offend.
I think you should be able to say what the fuck you want about any religion and all religion.He makes a point about religions try to be more offended than other, and how (through his experience as co-author of Jerry Springer the Opera) Christians have been playing catch up with Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus
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• #6728
I think you should be able to say what the fuck you want about any religion and all religion.
Me too, you should be able to, but that doesn't always mean you should do it, especially if it's just a case of pointless insensitivity, rather than any kind of salient point.
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• #6729
If I wanted to make a Charlie Hebdo kind of point, that would be one thing. I'm not going to do it for the sake of a pun. There's a whole army of Kippers and Kate Hopkins types ready to use details of the religious beliefs of anybody they see as "other", so much so that it's tiresome even for the moderate or secular members of those communities/ethnicities. I'm not going to stand with that army just because it would require a little effort to walk further down the road.
I want a better reason for offending people than not being able to think of original material. I want to offend people on purpose, not through laziness.
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• #6730
I want a better reason for offending people than not being able to think of original material. I want to offend people on purpose, not through laziness
In a secular democracy you have the right to decide if and how you offend others...
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• #6731
Yeah, but also, don't be a dick.
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• #6732
I do think you're missing the point. @snottyotter has it right.
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• #6733
I 100% support the right to offend and basically say whatever the fuck you want, but context and intent is a big part of that, some comedy generally walks a fine line of offence, but it's better to be walking that line with someone like Frankie Boyle rather than Jim Davidson.
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• #6734
And walking it with Mrs Brown's Boys is just fucking embarrassing.
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• #6735
The issue is that humour, like so much else, is entirely subjective. I’ve done stand up, as has my kid, and I really don’t think anything should off-limits. There’s a massive difference between being funny and being offensive, inasmuch as some humour relies on shock tactics (see Sadowitz etc), or saying something shocking that you might think but wouldn’t dare say (Jim Jeffries doing the most offensive joke I’ve ever heard, which almost made my kid bite the top of his beer bottle), for example.
Anyone can be offensive, but it takes skill to be offensive and funny. I’m not claiming to be skilled, my prophet margin gag was based purely on wordplay and I just happened to use the best-known prophet of all as the punchline. That wasn’t crass or lazy; I mean, if I’d put Ezekiel or whatever, would it have worked as well? I dunno.
Anyway, it’s kinda the holiday season, and I’ll shortly be repeating the best gag I’ve ever come up with. It’ll be worth the wait, and it doesn’t involve a single non-existent deity. I promise.
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• #6736
Zacly.
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• #6737
The prophet margin gag was good, but context is important with the offence part and as depictions of that particular prophet would piss off a lot of people, most of which are quite nice, it seems a shame to say something that is, to some people, likely very offensive, when it's just a little word play thing, rather than something where the offence is part of the joke. I think it's just the throw away nature of it in a wordplay thing that grates, like I said, it seems insensitive or ignorant more than anything else. My favourite jokes are generally the really, purposefully offensive ones, whereas yours seemed more like your gran talking about that lovely new coloured family that moved in down the street.
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• #6738
Yup, I get that. If you knew me it probably wouldn’t be an issue as I’m neither insensitive nor ignorant, and as far removed from your (admittedly excellent) gran analogy as you could imagine, but I get your point.
My little sis is a proper militant hardcore animal rights vegan type, and I feel guilty about doing gags about that kind of thing, but I do it anyway. I know it pisses her off but she takes it with good grace, because I’m not being offensive for the sake of offence; there always has to be a big element of humour about it, else you just end up being Jim Davidson or Andrew Clay.
Anyway, on with the show
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• #6739
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• #6740
Doctor: I'm afraid I'm going to have to remove your colon
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• #6741
If Avril Lavigne had married JRR Tolkien, Roald Dahl and Christopher Walken, she could have been a Walken-Tolkien-Lavigne- Dahl.
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• #6742
Stupid. I love it.
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• #6743
Meta.
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• #6744
See also:
Stevie Nicks, William Shatner: Stevie Shatner-Nicks
Isla St Clair*, Barry White, Brian Ferry: Isla White Ferry*or Isla Fisher if you don't go back that far
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• #6745
I'm selling my theramin.
I haven't touched it for ages...
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• #6746
Borrowed! This is gonna go straight over a lot of people's heads.
(I once went to an Add N to (X) gig where the theremin did a bit of a stage-dive into the audience. /csb)
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• #6747
I love Add N to (X)
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• #6748
This is gonna go straight over a lot of people's heads.
Like stage-diving?
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• #6749
theramin.
Theremin.
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• #6750
Thanks. Any other grammatical errors you'd like to correct?
My aunty Marge has been in hospital for ages.
I can't believe she's not better.