Albion, nice and a reasonable amount of pocket locations

@6pt you've unmasked the real target demographic!

@spinnnout errrr everything? Technically overtrouser, due to no pockets, but they have a zip entry to access trouser/pocket bib pocket underneath ...but Jack here has been wearing them everywhere as a regular trouser, studio, commuting, home, and sofa....

@monkdagola trying to keep these as packable as possible, they don't have a gusset inside, just the zipper to taper the leg and keep away from chain & spray. There's an elasticated cuff on the back only, to fit over overshoes/whatever, so there is also room for pedaling and movement. For years we tried to make a trouser version of the Classic Softshell (RIP), but it was always designed flat on a screen and never translated well into the 3D, dynamic shape needed for cycling, hence being pleased with how these have turned out.

@snoops I deleted a link to Rainlegs from my earlier post! Absolutely rate them as a good solution, but yes, bit clunky.

@dancing james following on from above, thinking the packable/off/on way these will be used, they have a contoured high centre back with elasticated gripper, which overlaps with the Rain Jacket, and sheds some weight. Can totally see the benefit of salopettes if you're out all day on muddy trails - maybe if they're successful, can see this variant to go with the shorts.

Trousers look great, will defo be picking up a pair to replace my old Humvee ones.

What's the fabric like inside the leg? I find most waterproof / winter trousers have a horrible clammy feel to them.

Those look amazing, might stick them on my Christmas list!

They will never fit me.

I have to step out my front door and cross the road to get there. Sometimes I get splashed when toddler a jumps in puddles. This is a real and legitimate need for a performance/ technical garment and I shall be buying a pair.

@spinnnout errrr everything? Technically overtrouser, due to no pockets, but they have a zip entry to access trouser/pocket bib pocket underneath

Gotcha, my poorly worded question was more, 'are they like trousers with their own pockets or not and can they be comfortably worn on their own.'

How are they lined? I have some cheap waterproof over trousers athat would feel like wearing a bin bag.

@King_Saxlingham @spinnnout it's a Pertex 3-layer laminate, with a nice quality inner scrim, so it's v comfortable against the skin, hence people taking to wearing them casual.

Some waterproofs have either just the membrane next-to-skin (usually a white/milky colour or clear, with a rubbery texture) or a coating (again, milky or clear, but texture is more like a print), which feels clammy straight up, maybe what you've experienced?

I never understood waterproof cycling trousers. I always imagined that if was raining so hard and I got so cold that I needed something to collect all the warmth and internal moisture around my crotchal region my thinking would be that I should have never gone out in the first place. Cycling keeps your legs warm in way other sports don't. Hiking / skiing / aggressive rambling, totally different requirements to riding imo.

thanks @Chopsicle

@youramericanlover didn't get them either until trying out some touring

Same usecase as SPD sandals HARD NO

I think I'll just order a medium, I imagine it'll be a better fit over my medium insulated! The trousers look great, I must stop looking at this thread...

These look great, might you do length options too, for those of us with stumpy legs?

In the 'these are rad' camp, wish I'd had them to watch the football tonight!

Not going to lie, they look like a popsicle sweat fest. Love Albion but I don’t think you can defy the laws of cycling physics!

How do you think these trousers would perform at walking the dog in the rain?

Gassed for these tbh. Now I just need that ambassadorship so I can wear all the kit I can't afford

You'd have to combine them with the Albion pocket bib shorts to carry the poop bags.

@ltc no worried though if you did want to drop in and take a look, just ask!

@youramericanlover a general use-case is probably 'I have no choice*' like ultra/touring/commuting, rather than 'I'm going for a ride in this rain'. Ease-of-use on/off has been paramount, many overtrousers are a faff to use (and look terrible), so I'm optimistic we've got something here, be interesting to see if they become adopted like in MTB. Definitely changed my headspace for commutes in the rain on my big town bike, no change of clothes or wet jeans.

*unless wearing as off-bike gorpcore/gnarwear.

@tyeness one length I'm afraid, but design allows a wide range of fit. Waist has a huge amount of adjustment to fit over layers, also allow easy on/off, and also secure tightly and not drop down! Ankles have elasticated rear/gather to pull away from chain/crank rub, and also fit over over-shoes/boots etc.
It's an issue with seam-seal garments, lack of alteration/adjustability, but I might hack some for riders with sizing outside the fit ...myself included.....

@tb55 @LukeG yes, and seamlessly into the pub after :D

@Jameo they're going well so far. You have to bear in mind the differential between inside/outside environments will define how 'breathable' a fabric is - and how that is perceived by the wearer. Legs are going to be generating less sweat/heat than torso/arms, but I'm sure if you wore on a humid summers day you'd feel it. And absolutely, 'always get physics on your side'.

We had a rider wearing a sample on the Tour Divide, just infront of the really bad weather, and was one bit of kit which allowed them to ride in relative comfort through the high, cold, wet points. Gave some good feedback into the final design sign-off.

Sold. Look forward to the launch.

Wore my insulated Zoa to the pub after cross training Wednesday and was easily the warmest/most smug. It gets my ringing endorsement.

those trousers (i like to call them ‘action slacks’) look quite versatile.
perfect to stuff in the front brompton bag for the inevitable wet commute but also for winter walking with a pair of lycra running tights underneath.

I have a pair of scott gore paclite overshorts and a pair of sugoi cycling trousers that could be replaced by those, especially as the trousers offer no rain protection and the shorts obviously don’t protect the lower leg.

what’s the RRP on them?

I used to be amazed by how many people at our local trail centre ride in mtb trousers and waterproof mtb trousers. It tends to be more the downhill riders who bomb down a trail and then ride or push up the push track, stand around and regather their breath and thoughts and then bomb back down.

@youramericanlover as such the above people aren’t riding continuously and i guess don’t want to get cold and wet while waiting in line to ride back down the hill.

I was pretty sceptical about them until I bought a pair that are in my car for days when I arrive at trails and the heavens open. It’s good to be able to get changed post ride and not be covering clothes or the car in wet mud. Also they breathe well enough to do a couple of hours of trail riding.

My glib comment really didn't deserve those careful, considered responses, I was being silly probably because I'm jealous I don't have the time to tour or do adventure cycling. I want those trousers (and 3 weeks on the bike with a reason to wear them).

@dancing james I will say that growing up in the Rocky Mountains in the 90s means I am philosophicslly opposed to downhill MTBing. If you want to go down a mountain you should have to ride up. Same reason xcross country skiing is better, cheaper and offers moral superiority

I also used to see the MTB waterproof onesie at trade shows - before covid - is this now an established thing on the trails? I can see the appeal in a complete mudbath or something like Strathpuffer in bad conditions.

Rain pants look great - perfect to replace my pertex shield climbing pants that are (understandably) wearing on the saddle.

I think will be ~£200, which I acknowledge is a lot, but also high value for long-term comfort ....Ambition was to make these accessible as possible, hence simple, minimal design , but every cost has spiralled upward over the last 18 month, with no sign of stopping :/ Supply chain is being affected by so many different things (weather events, energy rationing, staff shortages etc), it's really frustrating.