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• #627
Given that all Donald Trump really cares about is Donald Trump he'll probably change his mind on a lot of his positions once he gets more input from his advisors. At least I hope so.
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• #628
His advisors are likely to be less than awesome though.
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• #629
His advisors seem to be his family - or at least they are for the 'transition'.
Seeing the video of them all together (on CBS I think) was like a sad episode of Dynasty.
I had hoped that the discussion with Obama might have knocked some sense into him but I appreciate that's probably clutching at straws.
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• #630
a politician going back on their word ..... NO, tell me it ain't so
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• #631
I'd rather Donald Trump was getting advice from his undoubtedly liberal family than from some of the far right hangers on who became factotems in his campaign.
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• #632
Hmm. No idea about his family but his sons give me the creeps.
That said, Rudy and Sarah Palin whispering in his ear is also creepy.
I think just see how this plays out; expectations are so abysmal that he's actually perfectly positioned to surprise people. Kind of like a polar opposite of Obama, on whom everyone projected huge expectations and was thus primed to disappoint.
I'd be more wary of the people pulling the strings. Think back to the bush administration which was essentially run by Cheney, Rummsfeld, Rice and Powell.
If Tump takes too much advice from the wrong people, things will be fucked up but hopefully he knows how to see through bullshit...I'm not freaking out yet.
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• #633
The two words that scare the life out of me are Stephen Bannon
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• #634
Oh yeah. Fuck.
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• #635
eh....
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• #636
Don't worry. We've sent an envoy to talk sense into Trump. It's all going to be ok.
(I look forward to the Photoshop re-workings)
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• #637
Is anyone else getting fed up w reading news reports that go little further than divvying up the Americans in terms if race? I keep reading broad statements about this or that demographic's voting behaviour - as if the future of democracy relies predominantly on skin colour rather than each individual's response to proposed policies.
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• #638
Think back to the bush administration which was essentially run by Cheney, Rummsfeld, Rice and Powell
Sorry, I have to correct this. The Bush presidency was primarily run by Rove, Cheney, and a cadre of shadowy, government-hating neo-conservative military industrialists. Rumsfeld certainly offered his services as a policy-advisor but was quickly edged out and eventually forced to resign because he was viewed as a loose cannon and somebody that could be scapegoated for the increasingly unpopular Iraq war. Rice and Powell contributed almost nothing in the way of policy or decision-making and Powell seems to have completely disagreed with many of things he was told to say. Just to clear things up.
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• #639
That's a lookalike no?
Trump, not Rnige.
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• #640
So about this 'wall', Donald...
I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:
Mexico-US wall to be part fence - Trump - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37969112
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• #641
Don't worry, he'll probably soften up/moderate now he's in office....
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• #642
Just watched this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
Am I missing something because I thought this was a load of fucking bollocks.
Jonathan Pie is usually very good but this is so off the mark for me it's unbelievable.
People who are going to vote for the Conservatives, Brexit and Trump aren't interested in any debate whatsoever. They don't care about reasoning, facts, figures, the lessons of history or the side effects of their one-issue voting. They just want whatever hideous version of their country their tiny little minds have conjured up, back.
When the promises of Brexit starting falling away, one after the other, they didn't get angry with the people that lied to them, they got angry with the people that were trying to tell them they were being lied to, they shruggged off the broken promises and still want to forge ahead into the past because Brexit means Brexit and it's what they want.
These are people who simply can't be engaged because their hatred is far greater than any desire for the truth and they're so insular, parochial and selfish that they can't imagine working together for a better future. Their horizons simply cannot be widened.
And when someone does say something that's racist, homophobic, sexist or misogynistic, then there comes a time they've got to be told they're a fucking arsehole - we shouldn't be pandering to bigots.
Those that claim they aren't racists, bigots or arseholes are just as bad - they might not be but they certainly don't give a fuck about those they're going to negatively effect with their vote. They can go and fuck a dog too.
What we do need to do is to engage with the people that didn't vote. The apathetic, the disinterested, the disenfranchised. That's how we can effect change. Not by banging our heads against walls.
Non?
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• #643
It's twofold.
One, you don't get people out to vote by calling the people you don't like names. Attack advertising has been a standard voter suppression technique for decades - people who don't feel particularly strongly about either side just tune the whole thing out. So if you want to engage the unengaged, talk to them in words that will mean something to them and don't spend so much time attacking the people you can't engage with. (I think that's one of the things Obama was incredibly talented at - he'd often sidestep the head-on arguments by aiming for a higher level of discourse. Which they then turned into a meme for Clinton, but she just wasn't as good at it.)
Two, you're probably still going to need some swing voters. Telling them that they are idiots/racists/inbreds isn't going to make them swing to voting for the side you like. Talking to them and listening to what they have to say just might.
Nobody's saying we have to indulge the racists. But we have to engage with the reasonable people who can be persuaded that making common cause with the racists is a bad idea.
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• #644
Bannon given a "chief strategist" role at the White House.
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• #645
That's scary.
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• #646
Between Bannon, Pence and Carson alone, alongside Trump I've got The Fear going full blast. World's about to get a lot scarier.
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• #647
Trump said he was "saddened" by reports that incidents of harassment and intimidation of minorities had spiked since his election - and called for it to end.
"I hate to hear that. I am so saddened to hear that," Trump said. "I will say this, and I will say right to the cameras: Stop it."
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• #649
More than you got out of Farage and his incitement, can't remember him every apologizing ;)
His team is worrying though anti science idiots and right wing fundies...
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• #650
sticking it to the establishment... from a gold lift.
amazing.
Trump backstepping on a lot of the crazy he was talking pre election and no longer planning on scrapping Obama care or prosecuting Hilary etc.
Called it.