EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

weren't they referring to themselves as 'grand wizards' yesterday?
straight up dog whistling or hanlon's razor?

That term was a complete neologism when the terrorist started using it, and I find it very unlikely that someone on would have come up with the term independently.

Not a complete neologism.

However, it's definitely only really taken off after 2011. So you're correct that there is an obvious connection. And I also know it's definitely a dog-whistle term. Sargon / Carl loves it too.

I stand corrected. I read just now that he may have picked it up from the far right in the US.

Fuck me, antisemitism is alive and well on the alt right of the Tory party.

I assume this will be on the front page of the daily mail for the next month.

i mean... it shouldn't really come as that much of a surprise that the tory party is plums deep in far right ideology.

plums deep

fnar! like it!

We are (glacially) slowly moving away from FPTP.
Euro/MEP elections on a proportional basis is progress,
(even if it does mean ukip get representation from London),
and the London Mayoral election has the element of transferability,
showing that the (London?) electorate can deal with something better than a simple 'X'.

antisemitism

I know that comes up in the Google summary, but from everything I read about its usage there doesn't seem to be antisemitic in focus. Manly anti-minority and anti-progressive.

Anyone know if there's a particular reason for it being characterised specifically as antisemitic, rather than anti-anythingelse? Is it the conspiracy element + media?

Cheers.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/rees-mogg-fandom-meltdown?bftwuk&utm_term=4ldqpgm#4ldqpgm

Lowbrow but good for a chuckle

i think predominantly due to the historic ties to 'cultural bolshevism' which was very much an antisemetic trope/propaganda tool used by the nazis

edit: that, and that one of the common lines of argument (if i can call it that) is that the media/culture is being engineered by a shady cabal, particularly those in Hollywood

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/former-brexit-minister-criticised-for-using-phrase-cultural-marxism/

It’s a classic antisemitic trope, but obviously she wasn’t aware and I’m sure she didn’t mean it.

See here.

Now of course only about 0.1% of those idiots have any clue what on earth the 'Frankfurt School' is supposed to be (me neither, but I also don't talk about it as if I knew), or what the whole 'cultural marxism' thing is supposed to be about. However, if you look past whatever they claim their reasons and explanations are, and just look at the actual usage of the word, it's an alt-right dog-whistle for some vague anti-semitism crossed with a healthy smattering of 'left-wingers are working to destroy Western culture and society'.

This then connects neatly to the good old traditional 'red scare' stuff in the US, the equally as old antisemitism that's generally alive and well-established in right-wing circles, as well as the slightly newer 'white genocide' bullshit also spread by that NZ terrorist. It gives legitimacy to the idea that fighting the left wing by any means possible is fundamentally right, because they're not just propagating a different view of the world and can be reasoned with, but are actively working to destroy 'the West', so fighting them is just rightful defence. This in turn connects to users on hate subreddits such as /r/the_Donald talking about giving 'helicopter rides' to leftists, referring to Chilean dictator Pinochet's way of disappearing political opponents by dropping them out of helicopters over the ocean. Yes, those people are fucking vile.

All in all, it definitely is more of an anti-left thing than specifically an antisemitic thing, but to some extent, it all goes in one. It's part of a network of 'ideas', if you want to call them that, that any decent human being does not want to be connected to in any way, shape, or form.

The cultural Marxist thing is a hoot... it’s a signal that says you have never studied Marxist Theory and that you get a chubby when you watch a Jordan Peterson video

see also: "globalists"

Thanks all.

@SwissChap - Tbh my reading of the wiki page didn't really reveal much in the way of antisemitism, other than some antisemites use the term. Hence the question.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47712130

Voting on mostly cakeism brexit options to begin tomorrow. And it can run into next week.

The debate on the revoke A50 petition is also next week, 5.7 million signatures so far.

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I'm downbeat about the indicative votes because I can't see them indicating anything other than a so-called soft Brexit which I think is the problem with consensus; no one thinks what they are proposing is actually a good idea but it's the only course they can agree on. Getting to a bad result by consensus doesn't seem any better than getting there by any other route.

except that maybe parliament will be insecure enough about the inherent shitness of what the compromise is that they will feel bound to put it to the public for a confirmatory vote which may include the "other" option that dare not speak its name.

Indicative votes

http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/220414/28102312/1553631796123/PRESS+RELEASE50.docx

Anyone?

A good illustration of the deadlock in Parliament. They all really need to sort their shit out.

source
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1110661548710735873

Wait. I compared political positions to political positions, and you compared paedophilia and a pop song, yet claim I'm playing rhetorical games?

Yes, which a man of your education/intelligence obviously knows and understands, which makes your subsequent protest entirely cynical. Which is a worry.

In your case you take as your initial assertion that people are happy that Grieve has done something they judge to be positive (which is demonstrably true), and tie that to your subsequent assertion that this makes them fanboys.

Now this doesn't survive even a cursory inspection - it's as coherent as "you spoke to a girl, you love her, you're going to marry her".

But if people take you as someone with a degree of authority (which I think they do, rightly or wrongly) they may simply take your assertion on face value, and treat it as fact.

What this achieves is to further polarise the discussion, making people question their own judgement, and whether it can ever be correct to agree with someone whose beliefs are not your own in the majority of cases. It defeats cooperative behaviours by reinforcing tribal, us-and-them attitudes. It's dangerous and divisive and I think you should consider whether it's appropriate.

My example took something I admitted to, and then extrapolated that to a (what I would hope) was a clearly silly second assertion. That it was ridiculous was the point, as it was an illustration.