EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

If I vote labour, then unless they oppose brexit someone will say "you voted for a party that supports brexit". This happened at the last GE.

I'd rather vote lib dem.

@neil

i suspect your first option is fanciful to say the least.

getting shot of the fucking tories will be no small victory albeit a pyrrhic one given the circumstances. not that Labour would be around for long considering the turdbaby they'd be left holding.

christ what a fucking mess.

then I'd go against my entire voting record and personal beliefs and vote Tory, as the least worst choice.

What if their manifesto is

1. Remain
   
2. Kittens for breakfast (Mandatory)
   
   

What then, eh?

1) Remain
2) Cats to abscond to neighbours (Mandatory)

Fixed.

All this fuss from Labour members about a people's vote. I don't think it is going to be the magic cure they think it will. What will the options be:

Deal
No Deal
Remain

I can't see any of those options getting 50% of the vote.

A second referendum would return another Leave vote, I'm pretty convinced - the issues have not been addressed, large swathes of the country still feel fucked over by Westminster/austerity and immigration rightly or wrongly is still the overriding reason so many people voted Leave.

So they have to bullshit everyone because the press has to be kept calm.

Fair enough but wtf UK.

It depends on how the votes are counted. For a simple, single vote on the 3 choices, remain would win, if you have some form of transferable vote then it could go another way.

What if their manifesto is

Remain
Kittens for breakfast (Mandatory)

What then, eh?

Foreign kittens?

Tiny EU flags for some, blue passports for others! ;)

@neil

i suspect your first option is fanciful to say the least.

getting shot of the fucking tories will be no small victory albeit a pyrrhic one given the circumstances. not that Labour would be around for long considering the turdbaby they'd be left holding.

christ what a fucking mess.

There's no good outcome, there's only what will cause the least (long term) harm.

A second referendum would return another Leave vote

Assuming another go would be next year, by 19th Jan, assuming everyone voted in the same way, enough dead leave voters will have been replaced by 18 yo remain voters to swing it to remain. My son is pleased that he will be very close to being the tipping point on his 18th on 11th Jan.

Some EU nationals have also taken UK citizenship.

Or just vote for what you think is right and hope enough other people do the same thing, because that's how democracy works?

Pretty much because the Leave campaign was specifically vague on what Brexit would be, so each brexitter has their own concept, from £350M a week for the NHS all the way through to Sovereignty.
Someone is going to get the blame for brexit being a disaster and the rightwing papers are just itching to hang it on Labour.

Rather relies on one of the options available meeting your criteria of "right".

1. Destroy the economy, lose Scotland and Ireland from the Union
   
2. Destroy the economy, but with innovative Jam
   
3. Know one knows what they stand for
   

So who really runs the UK then? It sounds a lot like some newspapers, rather than citizens.

1. A return to violence in Northern Ireland as re-unification is a long way away. 1. is really not so easy for NI. Scotland may be happy to run though!
   
   

I am literally living a few miles away from murderers in my peaceful street in Belfast. I spoke to one. And quite close to a bombing site in 1972 where people were blown to bits on a particularly violent day.

Open borders and the GFA and acknowledgement of both identities is keeping all this under lids, along with buying off paramilitary groups/EU funding but it is not a permanent solution. People are trying to work one out, but it takes ages due to all the death and carnage here.

That’s you projecting, many people voted Labour because they liked the manifesto, others because they didn’t want to vote Tory. Some certainly voted for Labour because they thought they opposed Brexit, but not all.

Corbyn's method of removing the need for a backstop is Irish re-unification, the efficacy of which can't be in doubt, I suspect it'd not go down tremendously well with Arlene and her chums though.

And as a Corbyn victory would mean waving goodbye to Northern Ireland and (I suspect) Scotland, I think the Tories will perform an Admiral West on Brexit once they sack Theresa May following her confirmed failure to sign a withdrawal agreement.

That’s you projecting, many people voted Labour because they liked the manifesto, others because they didn’t want to vote Tory. Some certainly voted for Labour because they thought they opposed Brexit, but not all.

I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with me on, Andy - I'm saying that Labour captured a certain number of floating voters due to their perception that Labour had a Remain stance, I'm not saying everyone who voted Labour did so because of that.

I think Labour is likely to lose those voters it pulled across from Cons/LD's based on Labour defining itself as a hard-Brexit party.

You do realise Labour are the opposition and, as such, do not command a majority in the House of Commons?

I’m not sure what people expect them to do to stop Brexit. Or how they do that.

I have made that point a number of times ... mostly to JWestland, I think. :)

And as a Corbyn victory would mean waving goodbye to Northern Ireland and (I suspect) Scotland

Oh yes, because Corbyn clearly has the ambition to immediately launch fireworks into the most volatile political situation in Britain and will be convinced that he should immediately change Britain's electoral arithmetic by doing the SNP's bidding and losing any potential for Labour seats in Scotland.

I think Labour is likely to lose those voters it pulled across from Cons/LD's based on Labour defining itself as a hard-Brexit party.

I have yet to see the slightest indication that Labour are less than a million miles away from a 'hard Brexit'.

I have yet to see the slightest indication that Labour are less than a million miles away from a 'hard Brexit'

It's in their manifesto: https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/negotiating-brexit/