EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Loads and fucking loads of flegs. Woven tightly together and strung along the line between Ireland and Northern Ireland.

FFS enough flags here as it is.

Make a big washing line, put alternate Tayto Ireland and Tayto Northern Ireland crisp packets on it and we'll have a very tasty and kid-friendly border :p

But what flavour crisps, and who would guarantee the alternating flavours?

paint the fecking kerb stones red white and blue

oh wait - they already do

But what flavour crisps

Flag, Bowler Hat, & Onion Jack.

Well. She knows staying in the single market is worth more economically and politically than the power they currently wield in Parliament. And economically, 2£ billion wouldn't even cover the transition period.

May is shit out of leverage.

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/937960116921536512

Love it, but not sure how this is meant to play out? Vote of no confidence?

Also, the above may be less likely if you look at Ruth Davidson's shifting opinion on Brexit: https://twitter.com/MrFurby/status/874567074093432832

If DUP revolt with single market issue as pretext then there would be grounds for a parliamentary majority behind no confidence vote, also given there might be at least some Tories willing to revolt on such a serious issue.

Triggering general election, pausing timeline on Brexit.

Edit; Being daft deleted

Sure, but a vote of no confidence is more uncertainty. I'm not saying I wouldn't love to see May suffer one, I just think politicians should be proposing something a bit more concrete in the current climate.

pausing timeline on Brexit

It wouldn't pause it though... it would just carry on counting down (unless cancelled, which I don't think is on the table just yet)

I think it would be a matter for Parliament to vote on whilst they go through the motions of putting on the brakes for this whole circus train.

More uncertain for who? Bearing in mind nobody has a fucking clue what's going on besides the Brexit committee.

And even then I use the term "clue" loosely

But it's likely totally out of their hands now (possibly even whether cancellation would be accepted).

They could vote to slow down, then they could go and ask the EU if they wouldn't mind slowing down - who would say what exactly?

^ this. It's not up to parliament to pause negotiations unilaterally.

Also, more uncertain for everyone.

All I'm saying is maybe, for once, British politicians work out a plan first. This 'guns blazing' 'seam of the pants' attitude isn't really working.

Amusingly Jeffrey Donaldson, DUP Chief Whip, has come out in support of Ruth Davidson’s statement this morning.

Can this get any weirder?

My understanding is that all terms and deadlines (besides A50 final date) are terms for UK parliament set by Gov. Withdrawal is totally non binding and EU have stated several times that they would understand and facilitate u turn.

Nothing is done that can't be undone. The only thing that would be lost is remaining Tory confidence. It would fuck them for a generation.

It's not up to parliament to pause negotiations unilaterally.

No it would have to be agreed in Parliament to take to the EU to agree.

Withdrawal is totally non binding and EU have stated several times that they would understand and facilitate u turn.

A cancellation in good faith I'm sure. One to pause while we get our stuff together would be a harder sell.

The article 50 date is the only really important one - all the others are just count backs from then. Like any project, if you shift them too far, then you won't hit the final date; and it looks like we're close to having used up any contingent time available.

The pertinent point is that our govt couldn't just pause for a little while without that being okayed by the EU, and I'm sure it'd be by no means 100% certain that they'd give the UK that breathing space.

My understanding is that all terms and deadlines (besides A50 final date) are terms for UK parliament set by Gov.

There is noting except the A50 deadline. Current talk of deadlines for moving on to stage 2 are instrumental, not legal.

Withdrawal is totally non binding and EU have stated several times that they would understand and facilitate u turn.

This is likely, but it's not written anywhere. That is why this exists: https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/strengthening/

Ok, rephrasing this a little; my comment was that there are grounds for scrutiny of Brexit timeline (with EU) if it looks as though the end result will be UK either out of EU with access to CM whilst meeting all relevant criterior to qualify, or total u-turn.

I agree, and I want it to happen. But it's based on a lot of assumptions - legal and political. Therefore, it's more uncertainty, which leads me back to my original point: a flurry of tweets stating "NOW IS THE TIME TO ACT!", when placed in the recent history of British politicians "acting now" without clear and achievable plans/proposals, doesn't fill me with confidence.

No but we are looking at a LOT of very heavy weight business execs and politicians who might just swing into the majority if DUP allow it (and it's in their interest to)

Besides obvious social political clustercuck of hard Irish border, I think DUP are privvy to Brexit plausability studies (via parl. support leverage) and it's probably clear that no relationship with Theresa May's gov is worth the damage that Brexit will do to NI, Eire and U.K. as a whole.

If we wanted to revise the analogy to work slightly better: we don't know what floor we're on. We can work this out by taking a look out the window before jumping. Maybe we should do that first.

All I'm saying is a bit of explicit planning would be prudent.