EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

No doubt. Would have been great 2 years ago.

Those in power, who are in control (or not as it seems) of this situation have failed and continue to do so. So what's the answer?

Especially when the key to their majority in Parliament have every reason to be uncooperative.

If the EU as a whole would like us to cancel/revoke A50 then what motivation would they have to extend it?

Better to keep the date and force us to confront reality sooner rather than later.

Because they're aware it's more complex (socially, politically) than that and would prefer to give proper time to maintain UK membership in CM / CU if revoking A50 is simply not an option.

But we won't face that fact unless/until we have too - look at the process so far.

If the EU give us an extension we'll spend 99% of it fucking about again.

That's another 6 months (or whatever) or uncertainty that achieves nothing.

If the past few days have made nothing else clear its that clarity is only available to those in charge when the deadline looms large.

The brexit/brextard mindset avoids any brush with reality.
They've spent 40 years waiting for the referendum
and
they don't have a single policy that lasts more than a few minutes of public scrutiny.
The closer we (all, unfortunately), get to March 2019,
the more it will become apparent that this unplanned brexit is unworkable.

No of course not. All these comments about timelines, etc. are made within the context of a possible shift in position on Brexit/SM/CU or a shift in power if/when the DUP press the government into assuring SM/CU access that is UK-wide by either flexing their position as keystone to majority in Parliament for the Tories or as an accessory to enabling a vote in no confidence to carry.

The timeline would inevitably suffer, but in the latter situation I think the EU would be sympathetic to a movement in UK politics which was not threatening to withdraw from the SM/CU.

Best case; somebody just decides they're all being silly cunts and we get to stay in the EU and everyone can just go back to reading news about antisocial ladies putting cats in bins or whatever was newsworthy about 2 years ago.

The best case is predicated upon the Tories splitting into their kippy wing,
and a slightly less racist but still right wing that will still spout the need for Austerity,
as long as it only paid for by the poorest in Society.
The money men behind the Tory party will ultimately decide if this happens,
until we limit political donations to modest, (£25?), annual donations from individuals.
And, if that means less professional politicking, society will be the better for it.

Here's a reason for mutlimillionaire tax cheats to sponsor brexit:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/dec/05/eu-blacklist-names-17-tax-havens-and-puts-caymans-and-jersey-on-notice

I'm not sure if I buy the scenario as a whole but on this specific question I'd say they'd see that public opinion is gradually shifting away from Brexit and a more drawn out saga (where people can't point at the EU being unreasonable) may help to make this a large enough number for a reversal of the division.

Davis is so full of shit.

EU official on DD's suggestion that "whole of UK will align with EU regs."

"The UK will not have any say on the decisions taken in Brussels and will basically implement them without having any influence over them... it makes the UK kind of a regulatory 'protectorate of Brussels'" here: https://twitter.com/DanielBoffey/status/938047748603043840

are the any definitions and/or distinctions of what constitutes each of the following terms people are throwing around:

• regulatory alignment;
  
• regulatory convergence;
  
• regulatory harmonisation?
  
  

or is it, as I expect, as meaningful/less as 'brexit means brexit'...

Have also been puzzling...
Started to write it all down, then gave up - ended up contradicting myself.
Decided that the prefix of choice ('alignment') simply means the same rules / laws as the UK (currently 'in' the EU) but re-minted as 'our own' (so “'parallel' regulatory regimes")? So 'brexit, means...' no need for a hard border as nothing 'regulatory' has changed...
However, mindful I have no idea really.

Everyone is confused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l35LGiJmXNs

Or as I just read, 'regulatory alignment' could be “a bespoke arrangement involving technology and others (sic) things.”
So basically whatever you want it to mean.

Don't worry. I've got this covered.

Is there a forum somewhere where everyone thinks it’s going fine and still think Brexit is a wonderful idea?

A Dyson or Wetherspoons forum? Or maybe a Top Gear one? Possibly 4Chan? Or a Saga one?

http://www.over50sforum.com/forumdisplay.php?s=19df883bda236f19b48261815de2fe60&f=113

Haha! Classic UKIP/brexiteer stuff with a lot more posts than replies and defaulting to that weird faux-formal language filled with jargon and anachronistic phrases.

Amazing/awful.

Whichever of these three, or anyothers the Civil Service can get pasr swivel-eyed brexit ministers, all amount to much the same problem.
When you are in the EU, each member state has a say in building up the regulation. Once you are 'Out', the regulation is presented to you as a finished non-negotiable whole. And which body ultimately decides if your parallel regulation is equivalent? The ECJ!
TMay and the frothing kippers within the Tories have, by insisting we are already leaving the Single Market & the Customs Union, painted themselves into a corner with no practical way out, except not to leave.

That pro brexit forum had its last post in August...

All the regulars died.

The socialist parties, their fans and part of momentum also like a brexit.

Yes. After 18 months work, the best they could come up with was to propose rebranding the single market / CU as 'regulatory alignment'. It's pitiful.

I can't believe that it wasn't their genuine intention not to make this deal on Monday (as opposed to proposing something unworkable which would lead to a hard Brexit) as they showed such ineptitude with TM being slapped by a minor down in public like that.