Panasonic NJS

or black open pros no?! or am i missing soemthing?!

They have braking surfaces?

the ones i am talking about don't.. finding link....

That is either ceramic or CD... Notice how the black sticker stands out? (:

i think that is just that photo..... or maybe your right.... your probably right. my bad. described as Black but yeah i get ya..

That is either ceramic or CD... Notice how the black sticker stands out? (:

CD, not ceramic, the ceramic is black with grey ceramic braking surface.

CD, not ceramic, the ceramic is black with grey ceramic braking surface.

and has been discontinued.
good choice on open pros, i'd heard of decreasing quality over the past few years but mine have been excellent. cheap (ish), light and good looking.
i also know people who put serious mileage on them without issue.

i'd still be interested to try a rim with a 23mm profile though..

TM are yours open pros or open pro cd's? im sure the regular ones had a more obvious (ugly) braking surface

and has been discontinued.
..

but still available in a couple of places :)

Open pro CDs... Thought it went without saying.

thought so was just checkin

Why the hate on archetypes? Has semi deep profile. 23mm wide. 450g. Look sexy, made well. Come in black. Open pros are boring and 23mm wide is all the rage now.

They're also surprisingly strong too.

Listen to what Justin Spinelli (builds a lot of wheels for Firefly bikes) says about the Archetypes: http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/2-thumbs-up-h-plus-son-archetype-rims-28931.html#post431124

Yeah I know but I want a box rim and tb14s aren't as nice as open pros.

so your keeping the crabonz?

Yup. Will regret
Wony be able to.afford anything like that again.

Good move... Those wheels will be amazing on any fixed bike you have, and would be difficult to replace... Hopefully it you ever come to sell them again I'll be less skint too ha....

Haha yes Tm. Having come this close to selling them I don't think.I ever will now. You're right. Too hard to get these hubs again

What do they weigh?

Has anyone seen these wheels recently? I think they exploded and Jake Brown is trying to hide it...

Hahaha no they're most definitely in my.room!

Not sure tenderloinz. Not heavy but not.super light. The Aero makes the weight not even matter though.

On a side note to shinkuu. The fact that I'm.posting on here demonstrates how boring Rihanna is..

I did wonder.