Orient Express - Cheap Chinese Rims / Wheels / Forks / Frames / Cranks / Etc

I foresee that statement quoted shortly in another thread...

Quoting for posterity

;)

Yes, tubs are much better for skidding.

I know rite

To get on a more serious level, I'm genuinely interested in getting a carbon wheelset for street use. Although I know that higher spoke count equals a more durable why would a 24h rear wheel with a super-wide carbon rim would not be suitable ?
I mean the carbon rim compensate the lower spoke count, when I see trackies rockin on 20h zipp 404 which must produce far more stress than a skid I ask myself "why the fuck not" ?
Any experiences or you guys keep thinking it's completely retarded.

No, the torque from skidding a bike to a half is much higher than the force put in to move a bike forward.

Okay thanks, I know my original message was intentionally stereotypical but that's all I needed to know.
You guys should do a Shit fixie skidders say video that would be fun.

Do you know what they weigh Mr Dammit?

The carbon clinchers?

825g rear and 625g front.

I know rite

To get on a more serious level, I'm genuinely interested in getting a carbon wheelset for street use. Although I know that higher spoke count equals a more durable why would a 24h rear wheel with a super-wide carbon rim would not be suitable ?
I mean the carbon rim compensate the lower spoke count, when I see trackies rockin on 20h zipp 404 which must produce far more stress than a skid I ask myself "why the fuck not" ?
Any experiences or you guys keep thinking it's completely retarded.

I'd try and find something like the older (and amybe new still?) hed jets that are just a carbon fairing on an aluminium rim.

mmh, interesting design, never seen it before but unfortunately too expensive for me. I might find some used ones.

I know rite

To get on a more serious level, I'm genuinely interested in getting a carbon wheelset for street use. Although I know that higher spoke count equals a more durable why would a 24h rear wheel with a super-wide carbon rim would not be suitable ?
I mean the carbon rim compensate the lower spoke count, when I see trackies rockin on 20h zipp 404 which must produce far more stress than a skid I ask myself "why the fuck not" ?
Any experiences or you guys keep thinking it's completely retarded.

The serious answer to this is that if you're riding brakeless a carbon clincher makes sense. With no rim braking you dont have the stress of weakening your rims ability to hold your tyre on. Plus I would'nt want to be skidding tubs anyway for obvious reasons.

Dont worry about the stress of skidding.

The only question, is wether you'd really want to mash around town on pricey carbon rims. A dent in an alu rim is usually ignorable. A crack in a carbon rim less so. So its a bigger outlay for less resiliance.

But meh. If you have the funds, buy some fat carbon rims, and ride the fuck out of them.

But meh. If you have the funds, buy some fat carbon rims, and ride the fuck out of them.. for two weeks

etfy

But what a glorious two weeks......

Personally, over a pretty much any given route, a hand brake or two would make me several times faster than even the greatest aero improvement. But, different strokes an all.

#inagoodmoodtoday

#backtobeingacunttommorrow

I think I posted a similar sentiments during the Great Brakless War of 2007.

#iamsofat

being fast > looking fast

I agree. #compulsivelypassesanyoneinfullkitorondeepwheels

I tend to be in matching Skins kit, and on deep wheels.

But whenever I'm passed, its only because I'm slowing, reaching for a bidon.

#compulsivelyreachesforabottlewhenpassed.

The carbon clinchers?

825g rear and 625g front.

These being heavier than my alu wheels, whats the carbon advantage then?

The serious answer to this is that if you're riding brakeless a carbon clincher makes sense. With no rim braking you dont have the stress of weakening your rims ability to hold your tyre on. Plus I would'nt want to be skidding tubs anyway for obvious reasons.

Dont worry about the stress of skidding.

The only question, is wether you'd really want to mash around town on pricey carbon rims. A dent in an alu rim is usually ignorable. A crack in a carbon rim less so. So its a bigger outlay for less resiliance.

But meh. If you have the funds, buy some fat carbon rims, and ride the fuck out of them.

Yeah I'm riding brakeless, those wheels will probably be a grouped christmas present.
Although I know a crack on a carbon rim is more dangerous than a dent on a aluminum one, I ride fast but cautiously hence I don't worry too much (ie : I've never wrecked a wheel).

These being heavier than my alu wheels, whats the carbon advantage then?

I'm guessing yours are lighter due to lighter hubs. No?

Novatec rear and BHS front, yeah but again whats the carbon advantage?

These being heavier than my alu wheels, whats the carbon advantage then?

Your aluminium ones probably aren't 60mm deep, are they? Deeper rims can be more aero, radially stiffer and allow an axially stiffer build or a reduced spoke count without cutting axial stiffness. The carbon advantage is that they are about 300g each lighter than 60mm deep aluminium rims.

yeah I get that, but dammit's wheels arent deep section ..

I think Amey is referring to my new clinchers pictured up thread, which are a shallow section.

Amey- not a great deal, more of the weight (proportionally) is in my hubs than yours I suspect which would give mine a slight advantage in terms of accelerating, but that's a bit of a stretch.

Mainly, they look good.

Same wheels but tubular would be under a kilo for the pair.

Ah got it, would've got them if they were advertised 3 weeks ago :(

I am guessing they are gone.

Also did you buy hubs from Fitzrovia too?

I am going to act daft here and ask why are tubs lighter? Is it because of the rim section that is required for clinchers? I was contemplating going alu tubs for the road biek for the weight weenie-ism.

I tend to be in matching Skins kit, and on deep wheels.

But whenever I'm passed, its only because I'm slowing, reaching for a bidon.

#compulsivelyreachesforabottlewhenpassed.

Interesting tactic. I've had to invent games like counting how many people pass me, in order to not race on commutes while training for 24s.
I tend to look around pretending it's the first time I've ever ridden a road if someone wants to pass. Passing a tourist = no points.
Or, sit up and adjust my bag straps/adjust my jacket or something.

@ Amey

Yep, Alex/Fitzrovia supplied hubs/spokes/build.

The wheels are still sat on my armchair in my workshop.

And yes, clinchers have to have a lot of extra material to keep the tyre in place than their tubular counterparts.