De Beauvoir Cycle Gang Strikes Again

That's cos of the Royal Parks innit.

Repped.

Dendraphobia!

I want a pic of Wingedangel and if necessary it's genitalia.

I can't get my head round this intersex person.

'its', you fucking spazz.

Can I just write something serious for once? Just so you know what's my real opinion.
Some things I said could be interpreted as racist or socially unaware or whatever, but it's actually the opposite. I don't care - who knows me knows what I'm about.

Personally I find all the excuses patronising and racist.
Why? Because most of the kids from estates are Black. Now, giving them an excuse, because they are Black, confused, from poor families, from deprived areas, left to their own, with a baggage of slavery and discrimination is just not very ethical. And it's, frankly, racist.
You should expect the same from those kids you'd expect from everyone else. You can't say "Oh, they robbed a hipster, but it's ok, because their area is deprived". That's like Chris Rocks said - low expectations ("He's done well for a Black guy. He's never been to jail".

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Eric_Dyson"]Prof. Dyson [/ame] once said, that the worse thing which will destroy the whole Black culture is a belief, that to be Black you have to be street. For some reason, all the kids from estates, no matter what race and ethic origin, don the same philosophy - you have to be street, you need to be hard, you need to be aggressive. And everyone allows them to be that way, because of the "hardship" they encounter on the estates.
Well, it's not on. There are more unfortunate people on this planet who live in** real hardship **and they don't steal, rob, stab or rape.

Whoever think the opposite should come up to one of the guys from the forum and say in their face: "You have job and never been to jail. You've done well for a Black guy/someone from a council estate" and see what their reaction would be like.

just ribbing you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNQRqAoT-2c

Rest of the thread aside, got to agree with a number of EEI's points there.

I've traveled reasonably extensively through the lesser visited parts of the world, drawing some very basic points to light, I've found the people from the poorest areas of the poorest countries generally have a huge amount to give, even when there is nothing to give. A lot of people I came across would be what I consider trustworthy and extremely hardworking, e.g. if they can collect enough scraps of cardboard from streets/ shops/ other cardboard venders they might just be able to trade that for a few hundred gram's of rice/ potato/ veg etc. But they won't steal, they will almost always ask where the need arises before they take and are not offended if someone was to refuse them their waste scraps of cardboard. They will work and work and work, and expect nothing in return but megre existance.

Then when you come back to the UK/western world the excesses can be almost unbearable. I remember when I was young we used to take in international veterinary students as lodgers to make up the rent, they came from all over east asia, one was amazed by the sea, she ran into it in 3degreeC air temperature in feb (sea maybe 8C) fully clothed and was the happiest I think I've ever seen a person ever, she'd never seen the sea. Another broke down in tears then broke down further when we took her to the local supermarket (independant in early 90's bought out by tescos) as she had never seen such an array of fresh fruit & veg and so readily available, and cheap (despite many of those products coming from just miles from her own home).

Yet, in the UK we are blighted by people living quite well by our standards, and extraordinarily well by world standards, who see it necessary to rob/pillage and steal from others to fuel their own better than average existence. I find it very hard to comprehend how people (generally people of the estates if we're honest) can behave like they do, but its an impossible task to get the wider message across to them; their more concerned with 'hardness' status in their locale than almost anything else, and I find that scary.

On a different tangent, in the Peruvian rainforest (pre-amazon) I came across villages & towns of shacks that you wouldn't even be able to effectively keep chickens in, with a single UV bulb for light and pretty much nothing else, but a lot of the people that live there are not concerned by having a house with walls that can keep out the various dangerous bugs & insects out and their family in, they are FAR more concerned with status in their locale, Iphone4's (only weeks after they had been launched), genuine Armani & levi jeans, various designer jackets & tops, mega bucks trainer shoes, lexus's, BMW 7seris & merc E classes (all almost new) to parade around their little strip of the jungle in (there is only 6miles of road that those cars can actually drive on, they are shipped/ container ed into the area). These people are generally, not poor, they just choose to spend their earnings/ barely-legitimate gains on items that are purely to 'outdo' their neighbors. Sound familiar?

Wonderful post, BrickMan.

I await this revelation with interest.

logs off

LOLs. Still cant rep Balki, feck!

RE: everything else, it was a bit TL;DR, hope it was'nt important.

I grew up on London council estates back in the late 70s/early 80s and I had a great time, it was fucking awesome... I had started writing a post about the poorest spending the most on luxury goods but then stopped, who really cares? We know why it happens, no?

It's just human nature...

I grew up on London council estates back in the late 70s/early 80s

I call BS

Just had a coupla pints at the Builders Arms... Little tipsy... I've done fuck-all work today but still have to hang around in case anything goes wrong... So bored...

Just had a coupla pints at the Builders Arms... Little tipsy... I've done fuck-all work today but still have to hang around in case anything goes wrong... So bored...

I have just got back from the pub. It is nearly 5 in the morning but the Kiwis are beating the Safas in the cricket so I think I will stay up to see what happens. Pretty pissed.

Oh, people, sware words are bad. East London has gangs and hipsters and something about cycling.

The only way Hoxton is disadvantaged is that no-one living there can carry anything worth stealing in the pockets of their ridiculous minstrel pants.

Oh, do grow up. There's more to Hoxton than hipsters.

Can I just write something serious for once? Just so you know what's my real opinion.
Some things I said could be interpreted as racist or socially unaware or whatever, but it's actually the opposite. I don't care - who knows me knows what I'm about.

Personally I find all the excuses patronising and racist.
Why? Because most of the kids from estates are Black. Now, giving them an excuse, because they are Black, confused, from poor families, from deprived areas, left to their own, with a baggage of slavery and discrimination is just not very ethical. And it's, frankly, racist.
You should expect the same from those kids you'd expect from everyone else. You can't say "Oh, they robbed a hipster, but it's ok, because their area is deprived". That's like Chris Rocks said - low expectations ("He's done well for a Black guy. He's never been to jail".

Prof. Dyson once said, that the worse thing which will destroy the whole Black culture is a belief, that to be Black you have to be street. For some reason, all the kids from estates, no matter what race and ethic origin, don the same philosophy - you have to be street, you need to be hard, you need to be aggressive. And everyone allows them to be that way, because of the "hardship" they encounter on the estates.
Well, it's not on. There are more unfortunate people on this planet who live in** real hardship **and they don't steal, rob, stab or rape.

Whoever think the opposite should come up to one of the guys from the forum and say in their face: "You have job and never been to jail. You've done well for a Black guy/someone from a council estate" and see what their reaction would be like.

I agree with the Chris Rock thesis, but I am not sure that I agree that most of the crime in De Beauvoir is carried out by Afro-Caribbeans. There's a fair few white kids that I see around there that I cross the street to avoid. Coming from a poor background is never, ever an excuse for committing crime, whatever your colour.

And in any case, Hoxton has been a notorious thieves den for a long time before mass immigration from former colonies took place, as was the area east of Shoreditch High Street (known as the Old Nichol) before it was razed to the ground to build the red brick stuff around Arnold Circus. So it has nothing to do with skin colour.

But, as I am sure you know, the whole question of the demographics of crime is hotly debated by everyone - psychologists, criminologist, sociologist, economists, police, politicians etc.

And, FWIW, violent crime rates have gone down consistently over the last 15 years, although fear of crime has gone up.

you (should) know trouble when its infront of you no matter the colour.
i'm born and raised on queensbridge road and never had any trouble on de beauvoir, saying that i9've had plenty of trouble in the area... lots of crack dealers on that part of kingsland road though they normally keep them selves quiet...

And, FWIW, violent crime rates have gone down consistently over the last 15 years, although fear of crime has gone up.

Thought violent crimes are on the up?

fuckin' ell, it's like going back two and half years...phil getting into a little beef on here, just a different audience. Phil, please put your old avatar back up, i'm enjoying the nostalgia.

Just listened to the radio 4 thing about the brixton riots, darcus prattling on, etc. Maybe you need to catch up out east...

Has anyone called eei a catflap yet? I quite like it as an insult...

ftfy

Thought violent crimes are on the up?

Are they? Not overall, over the last decade or so, was my understanding.

Are they? Not overall, over the last decade or so, was my understanding.

Its all statistics.

(...)I am not sure that I agree that most of the crime in De Beauvoir is carried out by Afro-Caribbeans.

Before the total meltdown, I'd like to point out, that I haven't made such a statement.

More about the whole street thing being driven by certain attitudes which crossed over the ethnic boundaries long time ago. It's more about crime being cool - about hustling, providing etc.

Hustling is a way of life...

I used to drink in there, before it was shit.
And the Sussex before it became the Scolts fucking Head
And The Talbot before it became overrun with cunts and I started a riot with 8 of them and all the bar staff

This is my favorite post of the year. So full of rage and unanswered questions.