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Well done to the guy on a white road bike going towards town this morning at 08:35 at Holloway Road/Hornsey Road lights - the bunny jump on to the pavement behind the line of traffic, followed by the hop off in front of the tipper lorry as the lights turned green (and the lorry moved forward) was very impressive - I'm sure the pedestrians on the pavement were pleased that you didn't have to wait at all. Oh, and ps, I meant what I said to you....
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Well done to the guy on a white road bike going towards town this morning at 08:35 at Holloway Road/Hornsey Road lights - the bunny jump on to the pavement behind the line of traffic, followed by the hop off in front of the tipper lorry as the lights turned green (and the lorry moved forward) was very impressive - I'm sure the pedestrians on the pavement were pleased that you didn't have to wait at all. Oh, and ps, I meant what I said to you....
Can you back it up, only because if you say the wrong thing to the wrong fella they might take exception. I had a few 'moments' in my courier days including the guy who jumped out of his car with a tire lever after I called him a name.
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Who wants to start a london night riding club its great fun
Share · 4 hours ago via Mobile ·RP what like night Rider ?
3 hours agoMC Yer but without talking cars just push bikes no lights and black clothes its great fun
3 hours ago via mobileRP ahahaha like ninga bike riders spinning people out !
3 hours agoCT That is just stupid matt.. Not funny!
I get well annoyed at cars being idiots on the road, but idiots cycling around with no lights gives cyclists a bad name and cars have no chance!
2 hours ago via mobile · 1MC But its soo fun
2 hours ago via mobileRP ahahahaha : ))
2 hours agoCT Even Bradley Wiggins got run over while cycling today and taken to hospital.. And I bet he even had lights on. Normally I like your crazy schemes, but it's just not fair on drivers and makes cyclists look like twats. Go play with some more ducks instead?
2 hours ago via mobileMC Ok ill buy lights when i get enoufgh money but i hate capital hate flashing front lights they totaly mess your eyes up id rather not see them all you need is a little light to let people know your there not to blind other cyclists for half an hour. Little front light or no front light. Plus night riding will teach drivers to be less complacent.
2 hours ago via mobileCT Excellent. Just set yours to non-flashing then :)
It won't teach them, because they physically won't be able to see you even if they look for you. First they'll know of you is when they hit you. Happy cycling (p.s. Fancy a party on sat after c?) x
2 hours ago via mobileRP No way ninga style all the way bloody city slickers : ))
2 hours agoMC Aye aye party ok. but i won hit any cars because im not in a rush to get anywhere and i think its time people started taking responsibility for there own actions regarding saftey and not outsorcing responsibility to technology lights or anything that stops you thinking obout how safe you realy are. Less high vis more common sence or well just have a ridiculously bright and annoying future filled with mindless drones who only folow instructions. Im trying to save intelegence not impeed it. But party sounds good
2 hours ago via mobileRP im gunna fit a strobe to my bike fuck em all right up : )
2 hours agoMC You do that and ill come ninja bike you
2 hours ago via mobileRP ahaha ill let you try my shaolin style, . . .
2 hours agoMC Flying spokes of juda with samurai swords on my handle bars
2 hours ago via mobileRP lol with badly matched dubbing to boot : ) and maybe a mustache . . .
2 hours agoMC Ha ha brilliant
2 hours ago via mobileRP : )
This just popped up as a conversation my friend has commented on, on facebook, thankfully my friend is CT.
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^ Incredible...
Today while riding into uni along a sort of dual carriageway deal loaded with traffic, I had to pull out right a bit to pass a car parked in the left hand lane (a taxi, no less!). I check, it's safe, I begin to pull out to safely pass... and I spot some absolute twat coming the WRONG WAY down my side of the road who is attempting to pull around the same car, directly into my path. Didn't see him prior to that because of course he was completely hidden behind it.
He shows no sign of yielding whatsoever and I am forced to duck into a lane full of high-speed traffic to avoid a head-on collision with the guy.
Gave him a proper earful as I passed which he didn't seem to get, so I actually turned around at the next opportunity and chased him down after which I gave him a second, lengthier bollocking at a red light. He actually had no idea what he had done wrong. Amazing.
Ten minutes of my time wasted but maybe that chewing out will save his life sometime - only a matter of time before he pulls around something into an oncoming bus otherwise...
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I assumed wrong way person was a cyclist. Happens all the time up here. Pavement cyclists (spits) hit a stretch of road with no path, and assume the 'walk against the flow of traffic' rule, which I seem to remember being advice for walking along pathless roads.
Always means I have to pull into traffic the let them past. The temptation to do a massive closeline, ever present.
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I'm not sure that you were in the right here. His story is probably ~~~
"So, I was waiting at the north side of the Blackfriars Bridge with no other cyclists around. Although I was going straight on I had stopped over by the kerb so I could put my foot on it and so I didn't needlessly piss off the drivers behind. Another cyclist comes up alongside me to my right and tells me he's turning left. I ask him why he didn't pull up behind me, since he doesn't know which way I'm going (I could have been turning left too for all he knew). Anyway, we have a bit of an argument and he tells me that I should put myself in in front of the cars, although I can't work out why. The light goes green and despite the fact that he now knows that I'm going straight on the idiot cuts right across in front of me and takes out my front wheel."
You were right to tell him that you were turning, but why didn't you pull up behind him? And why did you then cut him up? This happened to me the other day by someone who didn't have your good sense to mention (or signal) that he planned to turn.
Lets get this right: the cycle lane is wide enough to accommodate at least two rows of cyclists. At the very front of the junction the cycle lane terminates with a cycle box that takes the width of the WHOLE road. If you're going straight on why would you belligerently sit in the path of those wanting to turn left? Worse...no in fact more dangerous is when traffic is flowing and you're looking to turn left and the mouth of the junction is totally filled with folk going straight/right- one or two turn off but the majority go ahead. In that situation I simply have to stop and wait for a gap to turn left into and hope those behind me are paying attention to my signal and go around me and not into the back of me.
I simply refuse to become part of the problem. I will not dwell in the bruising darkness of the gutter unless it's the most sensible spot to dwell.
Numerous times I've been the first to this style of junction, sat in the position to stop motorists trying to overtake me turning into the same left turning and held my left hand signal whilst the lights are red. Do you think that the two wheeled hoards take that into account when they swarm the junction? I'll give you 37 guesses.....I still have to tell them I'm turning left and occasionally someone will pipe up with you should be in the gutter.
The last thing I was expecting was to get engaged in a robot wars style battle on two wheels. As I said I drifted off waiting for the lights. On my bike I'd have been quick enough to have passed him without confrontation. I simply forgot the limitation of my transport. Also 100% of the time when I've mentioned my intent I've been able to negotiate with fellow cyclists.
I'd add to that that you'd be more right to be miffed if he arrived after you and slid up the left side of you only to pull away straight into you. But he was there first.
I wasn't particularly miffed at all, a bit bemused, and just wished I could have had a proper relaxed conversation with him.
Just out of interest, have either of you ridden this junction wanting to turn left to embankment in rush hour north bound?
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I take the rap for drifting off. That is all.
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I agree you were positioned correctly, but just like you'd expect a car to wait for these silly cyclist, you should have been paying attention and watched out for him and waited if it looked like a collision would happen.
'Silly'? I'd say more ignorant and fearful.
Of course not I'm suggesting ploughing into the cyclists but ask yourself: If a motorist gets to a junction that has no box first and has big, fuck off, shiny, flashing orange lights suggesting they want to turn left at what point do we as cyclists- battling for respect and rights on the road- start using our heads and hearts, so even if you're going to stay in the gutter, start allowing others that were there first and give way to other road users???So, I was waiting at the north side of the Blackfriars Bridge with no other cyclists around. Although I was going straight on I had stopped over by the kerb so I could put my foot on it and so I didn't needlessly piss off the drivers behind.
Do you really believe he'd have positioned himself differently in different circumstance? The words out of his mouth suggested otherwise. By sitting where he did he's pissing off other cyclsitsand motorists that do want to turn left- I see no logic. The crux of the problem is folk on 2 wheels that don't know how to use the infrastructure they've been provided with. Even when pointed out they refuse to hear.
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Not exactly bad cycling, just lack of consideration:
A girl riding ahead of me on my way home from work yesterday had an extremely bright front light on the BACK of her bike! I was trying to catch up and ask her about it, but she hopped a kerb. No danger of her not being seen, I suppose. Trouble is I couldn't see much either because my retinas were being singed!
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Lets get this right: the cycle lane is wide enough to accommodate at least two rows of cyclists. At the very front of the junction the cycle lane terminates with a cycle box that takes the width of the WHOLE road. If you're going straight on why would you belligerently sit in the path of those wanting to turn left?
Because the cycle lane that he was aiming for on the other side of the lights is on the left hand side of the road. If you are going straight on and prepared to take the lane, then I agree that you should put yourself in the middle of either of the car lanes. But if you want you use the bike lane then your suggestion is that you filter up the left of the traffic, pull across in front of the cars and then, when the lights go green, immediately pull over to the left again to get into the cycle lane. Seems pointless to me.
Worse...no in fact more dangerous is when traffic is flowing and you're looking to turn left and the mouth of the junction is totally filled with folk going straight/right- one or two turn off but the majority go ahead. In that situation I simply have to stop and wait for a gap to turn left into and hope those behind me are paying attention to my signal and go around me and not into the back of me.
No. Both of those lanes have straight-on arrows in them, which suggests that you can go straight on from any point of the road. When coming to a junction I assume that cyclists on the left of the road may be going left or straight ahead (especially if there is a bike lane on the left hand side of the road ahead) and that cyclists in the centre of the road are going straight ahead (I'm assuming no right turn is possible). The only thing that I intuitively discount is that a cyclist who has put himself in the middle of the road will turn left, precisely because it will require him to cut across a stream of cyclists going straight on.I simply refuse to become part of the problem. I will not dwell in the bruising darkness of the gutter unless it's the most sensible spot to dwell.
Instead you create an entirely new problem by acting in a massively unpredictable and counter-intuitive way.Numerous times I've been the first to this style of junction, sat in the position to stop motorists trying to overtake me turning into the same left turning and held my left hand signal whilst the lights are red. Do you think that the two wheeled hoards take that into account when they swarm the junction? I'll give you 37 guesses.....I still have to tell them I'm turning left and occasionally someone will pipe up with you should be in the gutter.
What is your specific objection to being on the left if you're turning left. Assuming you can get ahead of the cars, you should avoid being left hooked. If you pull into the centre of the lane then you create the problem that cyclists going straight on will filter up the left of the cars into the ASL box, not knowing that you are there. How are they then meant to position themselves? Should they manoeuvre round the back of you so that they're on your right? If you pull up on the front left, then those going straight on can easily move to your right and those turning left can queue behind you. This is how every other junction seems to work.Just out of interest, have either of you ridden this junction wanting to turn left to embankment in rush hour north bound?
Nope, I've had a good look on streetview and know if from the various wranglings over the redesign. One thing we can agree on is that the road and bike lane layout is shite! -
is it time for a vigilante posse to start culling bad cyclists?
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at what point do we as cyclists- battling for respect and rights on the road- start using our heads and hearts, so even if you're going to stay in the gutter, start allowing others that were there first and give way to other road users???
this is a big problem. cyclists never give way (generalisation) at junctions to cars in front turning left or right or to waiting cars trying to cross roads.
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this is a big problem. cyclists never give way (generalisation) at junctions to cars in front turning left or right or to waiting cars trying to cross roads.
If you mean going up the side of a vehicle on the side that it's turning towards, then yes it is a problem (and stupid) but I'm pretty sure there's no compunction to give way to traffic cutting across your path... I was taught whilst learning to drive that you always pass right shoulder to right shoulder (unless road markings indicate otherwise).
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sure i appreciate that but if all other traffic has stopped and a car is trying to make the turn why is it that you see a procession of cyclists just steaming on through. its not compunction surely its just following what others are doing in a shared road space. only reason im bringing this up was a taxi ride across london last night. the amount of shoddy riding was unbelievable. no awareness, no ability, no forward thinking, no concept of others.
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sure i appreciate that but if all other traffic has stopped and a car is trying to make the turn why is it that you see a procession of cyclists just steaming on through. its not compunction surely its just following what others are doing in a shared road space.
This is really annoying. However, one problem is that it's really difficult and dangerous to try to "speak" for other road users. If you stop behind a car to wave them round the corner then you risk another cyclist hammering past you and getting left hooked. It only really works if the gap is narrow enough for you to physically prevent other cyclists from getting past.
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I'm with you on this. I try to ride with some consideration for all of the other road users, whilst maintaining a healthy wariness (is that right?) of what they stupid stunts they might pull. But time and time again, I am shocked at how selfish cyclists are. As you say, a whole line of traffic is stopped, leaving a gap for someone to turn right across it into a junction, often the traffic behind the right-turner is backed up and everyone is going to get freed by the kind driver allowing the right turner to go... but oh no, loads of cyclists are preventing him make the move as they stream past the stopped car on the left.... not only selfish, but as the guy turns right they are coming at him from where he cannot see.
It is similar on zebras, the bus stops leaving the crossing clear, and cyclists continue to go over at speed no thought for the ped who might be about to appear around the front of the bus on the crossing. And that has been one of my boys from time to time... god help the cyclist who does hit one of mine...
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I'd add to that that you'd be more right to be miffed if he arrived after you and slid up the left side of you only to pull away straight into you. But he was there first.