Urgent! Object to the scrapping of the congestion charge extension

"£137m has been raised, in the financial year 2007/08, to invest back into improving transport in London. By law, all net revenue raised by the charge has to be invested in improving transport in London."

The extension has been in place for 3 years. Any business that suffered as a result of this extension would've folded by now. All hail capitalism. Leave the extension in place.

Hare here, here hare?

Jack rabbit slim?

Oh. rabbit rabbit...

Good to know that about the funds. Cheers, guys.

But not now?

Nah not so much these days...
Even though I have to say

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Flowers are essentially tarts
prostitutes for the bees.
There is, you will agree, a certain "je ne sai quoi, something very special
about a firm, young carrot.

Oh, and signed btw.

I'm not sure about this small bussinsess angle.

Is there any evidence of small business suffering inside the old congestion charge zone?
What was the level of this suffering?

What I do know is that small businesses managed to adapted, sometime for the good, sometime for bad.

An example would be the plumbing industry, the local plumber only come round when the congestion charge is not in effect, which is a bit annoying when the boiler isn't working and you have to wait till the evening for him to come and fix it.

The plus size is that some plumber decided to ditch their vans and took public transport, I remember seeing a plumber in the tube with his tools heading to work, only if the cilent's problem is a small one enabling him to carry a small amount of tools that is.

There's a plumber who went out and brought himself a Kona Ute, and use that instead of his vans, which is a positive change that should be encourage.

In the end, businesses can adapt, it didn't halt the economy in London, but merely adapted it, and those who didn't adapt to the change end up being shafted.

What I do know is that small businesses managed to adapted, sometime for the good, sometime for bad.

An example would be the plumbing industry, the local plumber only come round when the congestion charge is not in effect, which is a bit annoying when the boiler isn't working and you have to wait till the evening for him to come and fix it.

The*** plus size*** is that some plumber decided to ditch their vans and took public transport, I remember seeing a plumber in the tube with his tools heading to work, only if the cilent's problem is a small one enabling him to carry a small amount of tools that is.

There's a plumber who went out and brought himself a Kona Ute, and use that instead of his vans, which is a positive change that should be encourage.

In the end, businesses can adapt, it didn't halt the economy in London, but merely adapted it, and those who didn't adapt to the change end up being shafted.

They don't sell ladies frocks mate

In the end, businesses can adapt, it didn't halt the economy in London, but merely adapted it, and those who didn't adapt to the change end up being shafted.

There's a good argument that getting unnecessary car use down frees up road space for business users. So yeah, £8 or a tenner or whatever on one day's work, but an extra call out because you're not stuck behind a bunch of cars with just one person in. It's why many business people want road user charging on motorways, so that they can clear all the doley scum out of the way and cane it about.

GLA / BoJo reckon that congestion costs London £2 billion a year, although I think people have bitched about the methodology they used to arrive at that sum. Anyway, if you're buying a sofa from a West London bookshop, you can probably spare £8, which just gets absorbed into the cost of the sofa anyway. Besides, what's wrong with this?

The extension has been in place for 3 years. Any business that suffered as a result of this extension would've folded by now. All hail capitalism. Leave the extension in place.

Any business that has folded in the past two years is more likely to have done so due to the economic downturn rather than the congestion charge. Not much evidence of the congestion charge killing businesses. I remember the same argument being put forward when Oxford Street was closed to regular traffic. Over the years I have not noticed a paucity of pedestrianised shoppers there.

As a youth I used to weep in butcher's shops.

The fucker will rue the day.

Any business that has folded in the past two years is more likely to have done so due to the economic downturn rather than the congestion charge. Not much evidence of the congestion charge killing businesses. I remember the same argument being put forward when Oxford Street was closed to regular traffic. Over the years I have not noticed a paucity of pedestrianised shoppers there.

I suspected as much but can't be arsed finding any evidence. It sounds like a horseshit excuse for removing the scheme. £100/day for any motorised vehicle inside the M25. Job done.

This is a meaningless sentence. Whay are you trying to say? That people who use massive vans for nefarious purposes other than business shouldn't be made to make their engines burn cleanly?

But its not just vans its commercial vehicles...example is the p100 pick up that is based on the sierra. Same engines too, but in the p100 its LEZ fee has to be paid but on the sierra it doesn't. The LEZ is active 24/7, and the inclusiv vehicles are growing such as motorhomes and larger vans.

"£137m has been raised, in the financial year 2007/08, to invest back into improving transport in London. By law, all net revenue raised by the charge has to be invested in improving transport in London."

Apart from the revenue to run the system......

Oh and which vehicles are exempt, IMO the worst particulate producers? Busses and taxi's

Additional due to the style of stop start driving

In my opinion it should stay, it doesn't affect me as I don't use the areas during the charging times.

What I would say is how about cycle every day to work for working 30 days and get 15 days worth of congestion charge free. I hope that this experience will increase the number of cyclists and car drivers are more respectful to cyclists. This thought is brought to you by kronenburrg.

So lets remove the congestion charge extension and - hey presto - have even worse traffic congestion. Sounds like a great plan for business. Essential deliveries will take even longer to reach their destination and no doubt will actually cost businesses more in lost time and wasted fuel.

It's a car park already, it'll just turn into a long-stay car park.

I reckon business related vehicles should get a cheaper CC rate, and private ones should get a more expensive rate, to discourage unecessary car use. Most things like 3 seater sofas get delivered by the shop's lorry because a golf just won't cut the mustard for things that big. So you don't need to drive to the shop. IKEA is not within the congestion zone either.

Originally Posted by Digger
I've put this in a new thread because Vee Vee's thread is from the past and people may not realise that we can have imput now.

Thanks to Cameleon for this:

removal of the congestion charge extension is going ahead. will result in more congestion, more pollution, more CO2, less cycling, less walking - according to tfl..

you can object here, before august 2nd..

Link here:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/cong...ing/15520.aspx

OP

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Remove the exemption for electric cars as they still produce CO2 just at a power station, not out of an exhaust.

Exactly

Its only during the day, 8 till 6.30, not the end of the world just to stop comuting by car. IMO its to easy, should have to pay everyday and can't block purchase and remove the minicab yealy payment scam.

Again exactly!

I've put this in a new thread because Vee Vee's thread is from the past and people may not realise that we can have imput now.

Thanks to Cameleon for this:

removal of the congestion charge extension is going ahead. will result in more congestion, more pollution, more CO2, less cycling, less walking - according to tfl..

you can object here, before august 2nd..

Link here:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/congestioncharging/15520.aspx

The form for objecting has three boxes:
!.Please use this space to provide your views on the proposed removal of the Western Extension

1. Please use this space to give us your views on the other proposed Congestion Charge changes

2. Please use this space to provide any other comments you may have

Here are my objections, interested to here your comments....

1. It's disastrous to remove the Western Extension, it's a giant leap backwards, please don't do this and please try and encourage less use of motorised transport in the Capitol.

2. Good to increase the congestion charge, well overdue.

The other proposals (Replacing the Alternative Fuel discount with a new Greener Vehicle discount
Making changes to the Electric Vehicle discount
Introducing a new registration charge for 9+ seated vehicles) are all useful in helping people to value the ecological impact of their transport choices when considering investing in motorised transport, but in effect just give a way forward for them to increase the vehicle congestion, I think these are all valid and useful measures for London but should be separate from and unrelated to the congestion charge, we need to implement changes that will cause a modal shift away from personal motorised transport not to more personal motorised transport with a different fuel or bigger cars or ones that require more electricity to be generated...
So in short let's increase the congestion charge and have less congestion.

1. The introduction of the congestion charge was a bold and important move in one of the most influential cities on the planet, in order for it to maintain any effectiveness it must at least keep up with if not excede inflation to encourage changes in behaviour and attitudes.
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