Weight / Fat loss

Any recommendations for protein bars that don't contain soy? Looking to up my protein intake and don't fancy the hassle of making shakes in office.

I love their detox chicken thing though (apart from the blue plastic stuff that is clearly not actually food). I am very suspicious about their calorie figure for it though

You can make a granola bar/flapjack and add whey powder to increase protein etc

Or the protein cookies from myprotein

myprotein.com might have some? There's some pea protein ones but I can't remember the name. Jersey Pocket recovery. I was avoiding soy due to testosterone drawbacks but apparently that's not an issue - bad data - if that's your reason for avoiding.

"The results of this meta-analysis suggest that neither soy foods nor isoflavone supplements alter measures of bioavailable T concentrations in men."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224

Also, soy meant to help reduce prostate cancer. I'm still wary about consuming it though, but not say paranoid like I was.

Thanks - yes that is interesting, that was one of my reasons for avoiding it.

That looks amazing,

The Panades mallorquines kept me going in Mallorca last year, fantastic little things

Same here, but I did some more reading after someone mentioned it and the initial studies that indicated T drop were small or flawed and newer studies have shown no change in T. So, I don't avoid it any more. Soy milk is just shit though.

Had a Nutritionist sports chap come into work to talk to us, company is called Food for Fitness, the website has some tasty recipes, yet to try any of them mind but they look good.

http://www.foodforfitness.co.uk/fitness-recipes.php

Have also been getting more into Real/Raw/Paleo food after watching 'Fat Sick and Nearly Dead' and 'Food Matters', may be a little pseudo sciencey in parts but the message is strong! I'm now lighter than I was at Uni with a BMI of around 22 which is just grand for me

http://home.trainingpeaks.com/blog/article/how-to-attain-your-target-body-fat-percentage

Paleo and Raw are both entirely pseudo-science. That doesn't mean the diets aren't good for you, just that the rationale is horse shit and that's always worrying because it means proper scrutiny isn't being given. I spent the first three months of last year on a 100% raw vegan diet and enjoyed it, but I also know that the idea that cooked food attacks your immune system is just looney tunes.

Raw is one thing, it is horse shit for sure, but at least there is some small basis for nutritional properties of foods changing if they are cooked.

Paleo rationale is absolute garbage. It is the product of some new age imagining of what paleo era people might have eaten.

As healthy diets go, however, the paleo one has some accidental good side effects, right? more protein, less carbs, more fiber, greater variety of fruits and veg than the average person eats. It also has the advantage of being pretty sustainable and easy as compared to being vegan or raw. I mean you can go eat at most restaurants and just order the steak, right?

I don't know though. I was vegan once. In the words of my old favorite band Heroin: "All I can say is never ever again."

Oh, also, I realize that for certain segments of society rationalwiki, along with snopes, is on their personal black list. But I read this and was like "pretty much". http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Paleo_diet

Basing one's diet on a people who were often starving, had to spend days tracking and hunting for the foods they ate, who would eat almost anything during the harshest of times, and had short lifespans, high infant mortality, and generally harsh lives seems a bit extreme for simply losing weight, and is very likely fully unhealthy. At a minimum, it must be admitted that paleolithic man had eating habits and requirements that were dramatically different from modern man, who exists in an environment that is much more rich in available calories, leisure time, variety of foods, and lifespan. Because of this essential logical difficulty and the dearth of research support, eating like a caveman is not likely to be the healthiest option.

Assumptions about paleo diets commit a fallacy which is common in nutrition, namely to assume that a person or group's diet, in isolation from their lifestyle, is responsible for their state of health. Even if we did assume that paleolithic humans had a diet which was ideal for them (although all evidence suggests otherwise, as described above), applying the same diet to a modern lifestyle would not necessarily be ideal. In other words, if you want to have the health of a caveman (and why would you?), you have to live like a caveman, not just eat like one.

Paleo Schmaleo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOjVYgYaG8

Full-on paleo is a bit whacko, but certainly there are some good points. I've massively cut back on my carbohydrates, am mostly avoiding wheat/processed sugars and generally don't eat until around 1-2pm each day, and I'm finding it pretty easy to keep up even with a heavy calorie deficit. I also kick-started the dietary change with five days of just eating potatoes and seasoning, which did wonders for my appetite. Still allowing myself the occasional beer though, because what else is there to live for?

According to my electrocution scales I've lost almost 5kg over the last two weeks while maintaining around 68kg lean mass.

5kg in two weeks?!

Such sustainable. Much healthy.

It kills me that wheat isnt a great thing. Up here bread is a staple for breakfast, lunch, and supper. Plus it feels Nice and filling. I hate feeling empty.

I may start eating bath sponge.

another cheeky 500g off this week, so less than 2kg to go to target weight, will just keep plugging away...

my sleep quality if atrocious at the moment, I don't know if its got anything to do with food or exercise but 8 hours is feeling like a woefully small mount when last year I was quite happy with 6 hours or less..

Have linked myfitnesspal and strava but the time on bike is not showing in mfp exercise. How do I get this to happen?

Weight is now below 15 stone.

Wheat is fine. Don't listen to the blouses that like to pretend they have celiac disease or gluten intolerance. Whole grain anything is good.

You're getting 8 hours? Fucking luxury.

don't bother, the link is fncking annoying as it sychs both ways...

You can listen to people if they have actual celiac disease. The thing is you have to have known them to always be almost shitting themselves, shitting blood, etc. Those folks have it rough.

My friend is one of them and he loves the fact that yummy mummy types want to go gluten free. It means he can eat at all sorts of places.

But yeah, what @hippy said, if you aren't one of those just eat your whole grains and be happy.

ha, I'm *taking*8 hours, meaning training sessions that were supposed to be done in the morning are having to happen after work..

"pretend they have celiac disease" I'm talking about the kind of people that say they are allergic to things just so they can avoid them. Because "spinach tastes like shit to me" isn't a valid reason to not eat it or whatever.