Weight / Fat loss

My weight lose theory was to increase fibre and calcium intake, and reduce fat intake. As an active person, I'm not keen on reducing carbs as a rule. But definitly replace evening snacks with some alpen.

As I understood it. The fibre helps your body process your food effectivly, and makes you feel full. While the calcium helps process fat.

This might be guff. But it strikes me as relatively healthy guff.

Where did you get that I am not enjoying my diet? I am enjoying my diet! I am doing Weightwatchers, so I can eat the stuff I like, just not all the time.

Did I say I did not have support, Eyebrows? My other half is also doing WW and we are working together really well. Peer support for the win!

Thanks for the glycogen and fat info. I struggle with the science of all this. I get that I'll go faster if I'm lighter though.

I find it hard to judge how much carb to drop while training hard.

Great read thanks.

Does that first bit in my quote mean that unless you drop carbs you can't lose much weight?

I read it as those that dont drop carbs, lose weight that is not just glycogen stores. ie. they are less likely to yoyo.

I find it hard to judge how much carb to drop while training hard.

thats the million dollar question.

So in the long run your better off not dropping carbs? I find it hard to understand how someone active (cyclist, runner) is meant to drop carbs.

thats the million dollar question.

I have 50p

Reduce carb intake on rest days, cane carbs on 'training' days. Simples.

I missunderstood you SB, I apologise- it was the "I challenge myself only" part. In the Truby 2006 study I mentioned earlier- WW came out as the second best weight loss, marginally behind Rosemary Conley (whoever that is)

@ SF that is pretty similar to what we're told in lectures:

1.Low fat, low energy density, low energy content, high fibre.
2.Replace saturated with monounsaturated fat, high GI with low GI foods, and increase protein (20% or greater)

@ spenceey- never completely remove carbohydrate, no, but a reduction isn't a bad thing. Your body only has that tiny bit of glycogen stored compared to anything from 5% fat (athlete) to around 24% (top end average) and even higher for fatter people (in other words even the skinniest person has c.3.25kgs of fat- but they can't lose it- its essential fat).
If you can manage to get the tricky balance right, then you will lose adipose fat, and fast. Hopefully by the end of this month I should have some interesting results/ ideas. I write down everything I eat or do, so hopefully from that I'll be able to work out which provided the optimum fat loss.

Hippy's advice is quite good.

In other words, I need non-revising time to spend on this. I'll see y'all on Sunday with my 1st weigh in.

Good information there regarding fat loss. I think even at the moment though I can't have much in the way of carbohydrates in my diet though, today for example, bowl of fruit and fibre + skimmed milk. Lunch soup, evening mean may contain carbs. I know that when I'm cycling I'm being healthy but I'd love to know how I could lose more weight faster.

I guess you mean carb load the day before a training ride?

Reduce carb intake on rest days, cane carbs on 'training' days. Simples.

So... tomorrow I ride; today I carbo-load

Joined the spreadsheet as well (I think?). I've gotten fat and lazy and need something to motivate me...

I don't know about carb-loading the day before.
I don't know the mechanism well enough. I may look into this after exams.

When I used to row, it was the standard thing to do, but I suspect that regardless- on your training ride, you're still going to bonk at some point- because your body just can't store enough glycogen.

I'd probably advise some self-experimentation...
Try one training ride the night after a carb heavy meal.
Try one after a normal balanced meal.
and Try one after a low carb meal.
See which you do best in/ have to reach for the refuelling stuff faster!

I'd just like to know how much in the way of carbs you should be cutting out if not entirely.

Will take my first weight record tomorrow. Am I right in thinking first thing in the morning is the time to do it?
Also, is the spreadsheet up yet? Can't be bothered to trawl through the last couple of pages again. Lol.

Ok speadsheet is set up.

Should be pretty self explanatory for now. I'll add charts and summaries (things like biggest % of base weight lost) in due course. I wanted to get the sheet out so people can start filling it asap.

Should we use LFGSS names to keep things easier?

It would be ideal to have as many people using this as possible so we can really help each other out.

Also I've done week ending weights as people have different weigh in dates.

Feel free to add comments to each of your weigh in cells if the need arises, right click on cell - add comment.

You didn't even have to go back a page!

I don't know- I'm afraid all I can give are guidelines.
Theoretically its possible to lose weight very effectively without cutting out carbs at all.
I think the RDA is 300g/ day.
I think the minimum recommended is 120g/ day.
So its somewhere between those two.

Will take my first weight record tomorrow. Am I right in thinking first thing in the morning is the time to do it?
Also, is the spreadsheet up yet? Can't be bothered to trawl through the last couple of pages again. Lol.

Timings only matter relatively- as long as you do it at the same time everyday you're onto a winner.
Mornings work well, because you remove the amount of other things in the day that could potentially affect the weight.

I don't know- I'm afraid all I can give are guidelines.
Theoretically its possible to lose weight very effectively without cutting out carbs at all.
I think the RDA is 300g/ day.
I think the minimum recommended is 120g/ day.
So its somewhere between those two.

That's what I wanted to hear really. I didn't want to think all my hard work was for nothing.

I don't want to sound stupid but my general outlook has been - keep an eye on what I eat/ drink (I pretty much only drink tea and water anyway) and exercise more (commuting 7 miles, running a few times)

This should be enough for weight loss I think, it may not be as fast as low carb meals but I know I can get down there. I'll be happy once I'm 12 and a half stone, once I'm down to that I'll be aiming for comfortably under 12.

In fact I'll take the theoretically out from there.
As long as you don't overload with tonnes of sugar, carbs definitely aid sustained weight loss.
AFAIK- all the Atkins users basically put their weight back on post diet.

Whoops. My bad. Added now. put my height in as comments on username.

As regard to carbs, me and Lady Liz are attempting to all but completely remove them from our diet(at least in the obvious bread, rice, pasta sense). I'll still be eating a sandwich at lunch when i'm at work plus however much is in the promax.
Will make sure to take in at least one decent carb meal a week before rides etc.

I always try to keep an eye on sugars. Never ever drink fizzy drinks. Don't really drink alcohol either apart from the odd occasion. Have had a tough time with chocolate and stuff before but hardly eat them now.

I know I'm on the right track, I'm not actually feeling in my head that I'm missing anything or crave anything, is that right?

Welcome to the pain cave. (:

meh I lost 5.5st and I never deprived myself of anything.

self-moderation, portion control (weigh everything) and restricting bad stuff to the occassional treat are all ways of losing weight without making your whole life into one long health food binge.

This is the way brothers and sisters

I'm getting involved as this could be the trick to keep me in line, 108kg at the moment, about a stone and a half on since september! Only lunchtime sessions in the gym for exercise at the moment so think i'll be using myfitnesspal to help watch the calories.

Fuck me ....eyebrows thats a lot to take in ......what do you do for a job......???(nicely meant)