Track racing bike-build

^four hundred and eight is beyond the realms of my imaginatizing.

Define 'so many'. And there have been quite a few dissatisfied customers.

If they'd done an alu frameset with the same aesthetic, but half the price, they'd have sold 'so many' times a million.

If they sold an alu frameset for £300 they would draw some custom away from their £4-500 carbon frame, maybe they didn't want the extra risk and cost involved with production of another frame, especially in what amounts to a niche area of cycling.

I accept that. And they're out there trying to plough the budget carbon furrow, until carbon ultimately goes the same way as aluminium - ubiquitous, cheaper than steel, some flaws, every cunt's got one.

^In "PX factory direct to you" retail model related news I was surprised Canyon knock out the Silence-Lotto team frames for £800

I accept that. And they're out there trying to plough the budget carbon furrow, until carbon ultimately goes the same way as aluminium - ubiquitous, cheaper than steel, some flaws, every cunt's got one.

It's already looking that way. they are probably more popular now than dolans.
And they did make Al track frames and sold for somewhere around 200-300, but was never as popular as their carbon one.

Their alu frame was a bit of a damp squid. Looked like it came straight off the jig, and wasn't really marketed. Needed some kind of unique selling point, or an undercut-Dolan price.

They hadn't really committed to the track market at that point.

Re the 464 being made in Taiwan or having drilled brake holes, see below from Velodrome Shop:

"No it’s an out and out track frame and can not be drilled for brakes sorry.

Unlike the majority of companies Look still stick to their roots and are based near the Magny Cours Formula One track in France where they do all there aerodynamic testing in F1 windtunnels. There bikes aren’t made in Taiwan.

sigh....just get the 464 since that's what you obviously want...you don't have to justify it!

As I said right at the start, get what you want - it probably won't make you a better rider but it might make you happy....so just get it already!

Voice or reason. 85 posts.

I was going to say something along those lines but didn't want to be rude;)

It's already looking that way. they are probably more popular now than dolans.
And they did make Al track frames and sold for somewhere around 200-300, but was never as popular as their carbon one.

My club hosted a round of the national junior omnium series last Saturday, and surprisingly (for me) there were far more Planet X's than Dolans. Also some very lucky U16's with some very nice kit (Cervelo's, BT's etc)

Unlike the majority of companies Look still stick to their roots and are based near the Magny Cours Formula One track in France where they do all there aerodynamic testing in F1 windtunnels. There bikes aren’t made in Taiwan.

I'd imagine their Aluminuim frames are, nowt wrong with Taiwan though. They've got the best robots. Look do a lot of their Carbon work in North Africa if memory serves me correct.

I think Time still make all their frames in France.

The 464 was drilled, when first advertised. Either Look offer it in 2 configurations (based on retailer or retail territory), or they've changed their mind/the specs yet again. Even the picture on the Look website still shows a drilled fork.

What a palava. And for that reason, in the realm of hypothetical track frame purchases, I'm out.

BTW, Marlowwheels, also worth remembering to buy something that's affordable/easily replaceable, as the likelihoos of a bike getting smashed up is far higher on the track.

Velodrome shop speak with forked tongue...

BTW, Marlowwheels, also worth remembering to buy something that's affordable/easily replaceable, as the likelihoos of a bike getting smashed up is far higher on the track.

Far higher than in a cat 4 bunch sprint?

Me thinky not BUMF.

The Look is just a bit crap for the money, the new Omnium pisses all over it IMO, I'm biased though as I have one in half built mode. The 496 Track is a differnet beast all together but I think they're 4.5k which is a bit fucking mental for whizzing round anyhting other than an Olympic village.

Thanks guys, appreciate your patience on this one. If Velodrome Shop are wrong I will go with the Koga or the Cervelo T1 unless I manage to find/one of you provides me with a lead to a second hand carbon frame with trusted provinance (not a P-X)...cheers. 'Wheels

from Velodrome Shop:

Unlike the majority of companies Look still stick to their roots and are based near the Magny Cours Formula One track in France where they do all there aerodynamic testing in F1 windtunnels. There bikes aren’t made in Taiwan.

What does this even mean? what's wrong with Taiwanese manufacture anyway? surely they know what they are doing in the far east as their levels of manufacturing are far higher than the rest of the world.

I'm always baffled by people's prejudices and assumptions. Usually people who haven't a clue about how bikes are actually produced.

Does it not imply that the frames are all hand built in a small workshop, rather than mass produced in a large factory?

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BTW, Marlowwheels, also worth remembering to buy something that's affordable/easily replaceable, as the likelihoos of a bike getting smashed up is far higher on the track.

Far higher than in a cat 4 bunch sprint?

Me thinky not BUMF.

You clearly haven't been at HH recently ...

Does it not imply that the frames are all hand built in a small workshop, rather than mass produced in a large factory?

It does, and it's utter cobblers.

You clearly haven't been at HH recently ...

I thought you'd banned crashes. Or was that just on Saturday?

Either way, it worked again last night.

It does, and it's utter cobblers.

Everyone wants to believe their bike is crafted by an artisan who's fater taught him to weld who was in turn taught by their father who learnt from Jesus or that old marathon running bloke from Pimlico Plumbers.

Some of mine were. Others are mass produced. It's impossible to tell the difference.

that cinelli vigorelli in classifieds looks like a pretty good option.

decent frames, and was of course my first recomnedation!