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• #2027
Throughout the day I kept thinking how a helmet cam would have ended the matter almost as soon as it had got off the ground.
It would, but we shouldn't required it to get a conviction.
Of course you will likely to have a stronger stance if you recorded everything you do, be it's shopping, walking the dog, at work, giving the lady a good rearing, but we shouldn't resort to needing a camera in order to get a conviction - this is what a trial is for.
Not quite, a trial is to uncover the truth of the situation, looking at all of the evidence, and assesing it's reliability. A helmet camera helps this by providing an unbiased viewpoint that the court can actually see.
I suspect that in this case a camera would have forced an early guilty plea, and thus have lowered the sentance that she got.
I agree, although I do worry slightly that if cameras were to become more widespread, their recordings might come to be 'expected'. I'm sure that the legal system will continue to value and protect witness statements, but I can't quite shake that worry.
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• #2028
On my way to work today, I saw a learner driver driving slightly annoyingly, but also understandably... anyway, when we were stopping for a red light, he was slowly sneaking into the bike box (ASL), and I told him he's crossed the line... was I a little mean to a newbie to the road? I though I was but I got off the wrong side of the bed this morning...
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• #2029
You were fine. The instructor should have pointed it out to them. Also they're meant to apply the parking brake while stopped, so no creeping.
Then again most instructors couldn't give a toss and would happily drive over every cyclist out there. And people wonder why the standard of uk driving is so poor...
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• #2030
If I wasn't already very late for work, I probably would have stopped and have a potentially heated debate with them. But then I have better things to do. i.e not being told off by my boss.
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• #2031
Apparently new legislation will make that illegal. At the moment you're allowed to drive into them. Daft. I make a point of going ahead of cars that stop in them, pulling up just ahead of their bumper, turning my head to face them with a look of utter contempt and tutting loudly. That's just how we roll in the UK.
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• #2032
It is illegal now, it's always been. The current legislation says if you are driving into the box when the light is turning from amber to red, then you are fine. i.e during rush hours when there are lots of traffics and you though you could go through the green light etc. But if you drive into the box when it's the red light is on, then it's illegal, but because it's almost impossible to prove how a car ends up in the box at the first place, the police don't do fuck all. Not that they would do anything even if they can prove it. In fact, I can't remember who it was, but a friend told me he once saw a police car went into the box during the red light so he asked them if it's illegal to do so, the police says it's not. Lovely stuff.
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• #2033
Anyway hopefully it will help with the cyclists insurance claim as they're holding out on him too. He says he hasn't been able to ride since the accident.
Good write up. An interesting insight into the legal system. ^This is the worst part, though. Being unable to ride for 12 months. Hopefully he can get something through the civil courts.
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• #2034
It is illegal now, it's always been. The current legislation says if you are driving into the box when the light is turning from amber to red, then you are fine. i.e during rush hours when there are lots of traffics and you though you could go through the green light etc. But if you drive into the box when it's the red light is on, then it's illegal, but because it's almost impossible to prove how a car ends up in the box at the first place, the police don't do fuck all. Not that they would do anything even if they can prove it. In fact, I can't remember who it was, but a friend told me he once saw a police car went into the box during the red light so he asked them if it's illegal to do so, the police says it's not. Lovely stuff.
Might've been me on here. Very late one night a few months back I saw a copper pull up in one, I pulled alongside, asked if cars were supposed to be in there, and she said something like 'you'll survive' and drove off. Think I mentioned it On Here somewhere.
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• #2035
It was a friend of mine in real life. I am sure this is a regular thing. Think I might try asking a copper this next time when I see one but with the video mode turned on on my video phone.
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• #2036
Good luck to all of you! I am trying to find a cyclist who was deliberately knocked off his bike at around 7.30pm last night at the Hyde Park Corner end of Park Lane, at the lights. He was having a row with a big guy in a maroon Range Rover, who then deliberately drove in to him and knocked him off his bike. I am happy to be a witness.
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• #2037
I guess the driver did a runner? Did th cyclist seem OK?
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• #2038
Driving round the M25 from Guildford to home earlier a white van caught my eye as it drifted partly into the next lane and sharply corrected itself. It did this a few more times in a very short space of time. I sped up a little and overtook it expecting to see the driver texting or the like but instead the driver was gripping the steering wheel firmly with both hands and staring intently straight ahead.
I drifted back behind him and dialed 999 as he continued to weave over the road. We were just passing the M23 junction as I made the call and I finished as he had commited to the M25 at the A22 junction.
5 minutes later we were approaching Clacketts Services and I spotted a Motorway Patrol car plotted up on the hard shoulder just before the exit. I gave it a toot as we passed to make sure he'd seen the van and sure enough he pulled out, quickly caught up and tucked in behind the van.
Surprisingly he put on his blues in a matter of seconds after getting behind and the van took a few seconds to register before pulling onto the hard shoulder where it continued to drive for maybe a mile before eventually stopping with the patrol car now back in lane 1 alongside the van. The copper jumped out of his car and ran round to the van as the driver threw his keys out of the window. I had pulled in behind and realising the copper was on his own jumped out to pitch in if need be but he quickly got the driver out and cuffed on the hard shoulder.
Another car arrived a minute later and took control of the prisoner as the first driver tidied up his parking.
I exchanged a few words with the first copper on the scene who said he pulled him over straight away as he saw him drinking from a bottle of Scotch!
I headed off home and got a phone call from the Police 10 minutes later thanking me and confirming they had arrested the driver and that he had blown massively over the limit in the patrol car.
A good result methinks!tl:dr - wvm 1 - wvm 0
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• #2039
Seriously nice job! The system works!
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• #2040
nice one wvm
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• #2041
LFGSS motorway patrol. Trust your eye to be caught by a white van though. Bet she was a right looker, eh?
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• #2042
using your mobile while driving. tut tut. ;)
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• #2043
Argh.
You see this big fat white line on the road here:
https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=51.519779,-0.177176&spn=0.002664,0.012628&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=51.519781,-0.177174&panoid=ztTlErwGSR37kkn9P52AnQ&cbp=11,231.8,,0,9.94That means you stop, and you give way to traffic coming from the right.
It does NOT mean that you plough straight through when there's a cyclist coming from the right, almost causing them to go straight into the side of you then, then give THEM an earful saying they are "a menace" and they are "going to get themselves run over" after following them up the road shouting abuse, then pulling into a taxi's only lane despite not being a taxi so that you could get more in.
I can only hope you then got stuck in a taxi park and got a load of shit from the taxi drivers.
Didn't get the reg of course. Need to start using a camera again :(
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• #2044
LFGSS motorway patrol. Trust your eye to be caught by a white van though. Bet she was a right looker, eh?
Transit envy. A little know but very sad and debilitating affliction...
using your mobile while driving. tut tut. ;)
The real reason I pulled onto the hard shoulder was to make a full and frank confession to this heinous crime. Despite offering both my wrists ready to be cuffed I was let off with a pat on the back. I still feel dirty.
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• #2045
G4S sent me an identical email to yours back and that was the end of the matter.
I got an identical email from Royal Mail after an HGV driver swerved at me while giving me the finger just for holding him up for a couple of seconds while booting it down a narrow road.
Last weekend me and a friend were riding in a cycle lane and were cut up by a bus who then blocked the cycle lane. When we asked him what he was doing he swerved his bus at us. We caught up with him again and asked him why he was driving like that, to which he started shouting "Get in front of the bus and I'll kill you!!"
My friend phoned the cops; they can deal with it.
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• #2046
Had one of your lovely London buses nearly kill voidcore at the weekend, the bus decided to overtake 3 of us coming up to a pedestrian refuge, instead of realising he wasn't going to make this ill thought through manoeuvre and waiting for us to go first he decides to pull in and nearly crush the leader of our little party, angry words were exchanged.
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• #2047
Smelt some nice burnt rubber one day going over the top of Camden Rd.
One of those huge Royal Mail lorries was racing for the lights but they changed and he slammed on the brakes. 18 wheel skid!
Fortunately, I'd noticed he was driving like a dick and was hanging well back.
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• #2048
Presumably not all the wheels have brakes, but it was still quite a stench.
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• #2049
I remember watching an HGV deliver the new pods that make up Norwich Market after the nice, organic and run-down one was bulldozed. They had to reverse down a little hill and the wheels were spinning like crazy as it struggled for grip. Terrifying to watch and incredible that after doing that ~80 times not one of the lorries ended up parking backwards in HSBC at the bottom of the hill, having collected a few dozen peds on the way.
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• #2050
Presumably not all the wheels have brakes, but it was still quite a stench.
All the wheels apart from the lift axle have brakes. Most trailers have ABS now.
i once complained to G4S about one of their drivers almost taking me out by booting it from a parking position by the side of a road without either indicating or checking his mirrors, suddenly braking in front of me (presumably without checking his mirrors), and then passing me and another cyclist ahead in secondary position much further up the road with centimetres to spare after I suggested his driving was sub-optimal.
G4S sent me an identical email to yours back and that was the end of the matter. I doubt the driver was ever investigated or that anything ever happened, but I, stupidly, didn't pursue the matter at the time. If I were to do it again I'd be replying and asking exactly what the investigation process will be, and what sort of result I can expect from the investigation. If I were also a cycle trainer like you, I'd intimate that a good result would be to send the driver in question on a cycle training course to assist his understanding of appropriate behaviour around cyclists.