Android phones, apps and tablets

No, not as far as I know. Sorry. What are you trying to do, porn?

No just catchup tv - pictures that kind of thing.

Reading about it it looks as though you'll be able to connect the nexus 7 to a TV with the Nexus Q, which seems like a pricey affair just to connect to your TV.

Nexus 4 does have a working LTE radio

http://pocketnow.com/2012/11/23/lg-nexus-4-has-lte

It has a LTE chipset but is lacking a couple of extra hardware components. You cannot force it to LTE/4G via software unfortunately.

^^Might be possible with miracast, which is officially supported by android 4.2, but doesn't seem to be enabled. Would probably require an adaptor for your TV as well.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/11/16/so-what-is-this-miracast-thing-and-how-does-it-work-anyway/

Forget nexus q, tis rubbish. I posted a few weeks back about the tiny android media player that I have that has a proper hdmi port. Utfs :-)

But can you control it with nexus 7? I like the idea of that.

No, you have to use the supplied remote control wand thingy.

I was just reading that link about miracast and wondering if I can make it into a miracast receiver. Pie in the sky, though right now, methinks.

To be fair, apple have this sorted much better (and not cheaply) with Apple tv and airplay.

You could run an XBMC controller on the N7, with a RaspberryPi running XBMC doing the rendering, files stored on your proper PC upstairs?

Or xbmc on the gizmo I posted about. That's what I do. Not great for photos though, if they are in the post cloud.

Yeah, but over time phones lose support for OS upgrades and get worse at running newer apps, whilst networks push the cycle by offering upgrades to get people to renew contracts. On the other hand DSLRs have standard lens systems, meaning the user can upgrade their camera to a certain extent for a long time after the model is originally released.
Also don't DSLRs hold their resale value much better?

OS upgrades don't stop the phone working (unless they're Vodafone ones.. ;)), new apps might not run as well, but you bought the phone to use the apps available now not 2 year's time. In theory, new apps should run better due to better code (in practise they'll bloat). If they're not supported by the device they won't be available to download anyway so users will be unaware until their annoying compulsive upgrader mates tell 'em.

10Ds are £200 on ebay. I'm not sure what the UK price is but it cost me $3000 when I bought it many moons ago.

Exactly- with Android once the new model of your handset comes out you can (in general) go and whistle if you want a software upgrade.

http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?&cht=p&chs=460x245&chd=t:3.5,12,54.2,1.8,25.8,2.7&chl=Eclair%20%26%20older|Froyo|Gingerbread|Honeycomb|Ice%20Cream%20Sandwich|Jelly%20Bean&chco=c4df9b,6fad0c&chf=bg,s,00000000

Want the latest? Buy a new phone.

But that's not true is it? If what you said is true that graph would be skewed towards the older stuff.

Have a look at how many of the devices have upgrades listed:
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Android_devices[/ame]

Nexus 4 does have a working LTE radio
http://pocketnow.com/2012/11/23/lg-nexus-4-has-lte

Only in Canada?

Yep noticed on the father in laws tablet I couldn't install iplayer and tvcatch up yesterday.

But they'll be a new version of it soon I reckon then I'll just add it then.

Tablet asked me for an android update two days ago. Just played Jools Holland on the iplayer and works fine?

Anyone having problems with the volume from speakers on a nexus 7?

Yeah it's quite low on some apps isn't it?

But that's not true is it? If what you said is true that graph would be skewed towards the older stuff.

UK customers would typically be on a 18/24 month upgrade cycle.

Within those cycles, you're likely to get one major version upgrade which would bring you up to date with what was actually current when you signed up for the device.

Given that a portion of the userbase of a device won't get OTA updates (thanks to either the device manufacturer, exhibit 1 Samsung, or the network), this means that at a guess 75% of new handsets will never run the latest version of Android.

^Yarp, plus in my graph over 50% of users are on Gingerbread- and won't move on from that without buying a new handset.

How many revisions old is Gingerbread now?

@spenceey - Whilst you can't physically connect a Nexus 7 to a TV. There is a way to get media shared via the network. If you have a modern TV - then it is likely that the set might have uPnP support. Get BubbleUPNP. To be honest I'm using the Nexus 7 as a client to a mediaserver I'm running on my PC.

I have hear people mention Twonky Beam - but I haven't tried it so I can't comment - but it does look interesting. Think of it as 'Airplay' for Android.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X-RNTRvymw

UK customers would typically be on a 18/24 month upgrade cycle.

Within those cycles, you're likely to get one major version upgrade which would bring you up to date with what was actually current when you signed up for the device.

Given that a portion of the userbase of a device won't get OTA updates (thanks to either the device manufacturer, exhibit 1 Samsung, or the network), this means that at a guess 75% of new handsets will never run the latest version of Android.

I don't know anything about typical UK customers. I buy outright.

My argument was Dammit claiming no one does updates.
This is clearly not the case - look at the list of 'upgraded' devices in the list I posted.

Why should phones run the latest version? I don't see MS pushing a copy of Windows 8 to my computer.

I almost got CM10 on my SGS3 yesterday, but after downloading all the software and packages on my colleague's computer, he needed it back whilst he rebooted a server cluster.

So close, yet...

^Yarp, plus in my graph over 50% of users are on Gingerbread- and won't move on from that without buying a new handset. How many revisions old is Gingerbread now?

How many of the Gingerbread devices started on something else?

The SGS1s would have started on Eclair, we were lucky to get 2 major version upgrades.

Every phone I've had has received an update, even my first Samsung i7500 went from 1.5 to 1.6 officially (2.3 from drakaz), before they abandoned it. It was their first Android phone though so they probably dug themselves into a bit of a hole with it.

How many of the Gingerbread devices started on something else?

How is that relevant?
If you are in Gingerbread now it is unlikely that you will ever see a later OS without buying a new handset.

You said Android devices don't get updates. I say they do. That's how it is relevant.

So this is less an argument about updates per se, more about the handsets which have still not been updated being unlikely to ever be updated.