So let's talk locks and security

You don't like the answers, ask a better question.

Bloody hell, let's not encourage him! ;p

But Chris

He does not need to ask any questions, just use the fucking brain
utfb is now trade marked along with internet mum

I am liking both internet mum and utfb.

cheers chris for your more considered response than my furious keyboard bashing

Careful DJ - Furious Keyboarding is an antiquated Internet crime

Bloody hell, let's not encourage him! ;p

More considered questions about locks and security, assuming that all the other locks/security threads were read and digested and minus the arrogance and attitude, would make for a good thread discussion.

Do I have an internet mum? I did use the UTFB (sic) but that hurt...

Careful DJ - Furious Keyboarding is an antiquated Internet crime

...on left handed websites.

Unfortunately I'm a member of other internet fora, some involving motorised methods transports.

On these we also discuss security and usually have a definitive thread, on certain motorbike forums there are members who actively talk to thievies to learn how they work and inforrm the way they work so we can be better informed on how to defeat them.

A list of chains d-locks sizes does give an answer to which ones are good and which are not worth the money. Unless they are all worth the money, which I know to be wrong as the oxford d lock is on that list.

I searched for a similar thread and the closest is Fox's but does give the information I'm looking for.

Unfortunately I'm a member of other internet fora, some involving motorised methods transports.

On these we also discuss security and usually have a definitive thread, on certain motorbike forums there are members who actively talk to thievies to learn how they work and inforrm the way they work so we can be better informed on how to defeat them.

I'd think you'd struggle to get the same level of involvement on this forum - lots of people with lots of stolen bikes in the past. Generally speaking, I don't think that there would be any room for discussion between us and bike thieves that wouldn't involve repeated D-locks (of various quality) to the face.

Additionally, bicycle thieves are of a different class than professional motorcycle thieves - average value of rice rocket £10-15k, HHSB £1k. They will be less sophisticated and more opportunistic, but that may be changing.

A list of chains d-locks sizes does give an answer to which ones are good and which are not worth the money. Unless they are all worth the money, which I know to be wrong as the oxford d lock is on that list.

I searched for a similar thread and the closest is Fox's but does give the information I'm looking for.

Well then, you have just stated an option. This forum is full of opinions. But there may not be a thread with all the answers on it. Do the research and contribute by starting one.

I really can't see anything wrong with this thread, it has pretty much answered any question that I had regarding locks http://www.londonfgss.com/thread17938.html#post563834 or am I just being thick and can't UTFB™?

Does that mean I have to be internet mum for everyone??

I'm not sure I have enough hankies

Epic fail?

Do I have an internet mum? I did use the UTFB (sic) but that hurt...

stop that, you'll go blind!

I'd think you'd struggle to get the same level of involvement on this forum - lots of people with lots of stolen bikes in the past. Generally speaking, I don't think that there would be any room for discussion between us and bike thieves that wouldn't involve repeated D-locks (of various quality) to the face.

Additionally, bicycle thieves are of a different class than professional motorcycle thieves - average value of rice rocket £10-15k, HHSB £1k. They will be less sophisticated and more opportunistic, but that may be changing.

I can see where your coming from with the thieves but how else to stop them? Beat them at their own game.

Unfortunatley as motorcycle alarms and imobilsers get better there attack differs and more cycles are coming in to the price bracket of second hand motorbikes bikes so the thieves can make more money on cycles as they can steal more. IMO

Well then, you have just stated an option. This forum is full of opinions. But there may not be a thread with all the answers on it. Do the research and contribute by starting one.

Hence asking if there was one.

Unfortunatley as motorcycle alarms and imobilsers get better there attack differs and more cycles are coming in to the price bracket of second hand motorbikes bikes so the thieves can make more money on cycles as they can steal more. IMO

That's a very interesting possibility--are m/c thefts going down, or is there a perception that they are?

I really can't see anything wrong with this thread, it has pretty much answered any question that I had regarding locks http://www.londonfgss.com/thread17938.html#post563834 or am I just being thick and can't UTFB™?

That thread seems to be a list of locks of a certain size, I'm more interested in attack resistance than size.

i'll create a diversion and you make a run for it

That's a very interesting possibility--are m/c thefts going down, or is there a perception that they are?

Methods are changing, have know of people being followed home and then the bike is jacked (like car jacking, they try to steal the keys to get round the immobilisers) I believe most motorbikes are stolen to be stripped for parts, some end up as race bikes.

Bikes are easier to shift, many people don't even keep a note of their frame numbers t report to the police.

Methods are changing, have know of people being followed home and then the bike is jacked (like car jacking, they try to steal the keys to get round the immobilisers) I believe most motorbikes are stolen to be stripped for parts, some end up as race bikes.

Bikes are easier to shift, many people don't even keep a note of their frame numbers t report to the police.

I was just thinking that as there has been such a surge in theft of pedal cycles, perhaps there is a correlation.

That thread seems to be a list of locks of a certain size, I'm more interested in attack resistance than size.

Last effort on my behalf http://www.londonfgss.com/post563838-2.html
Sorry if I can't help any further.

Last effort on my behalf http://www.londonfgss.com/post563838-2.html
Sorry if I can't help any further.

Thank you, but I don't believed the sold secue/thatcham rating on motorcycle security and found it lacking and niether body would admit to mistakes or alter the tests. Therefore cannot ever take them eseriously.

Hencing trying to find real life experience. over the man and what he says. Or was I spoilt by knowing captain cropper

I was just thinking that as there has been such a surge in theft of pedal cycles, perhaps there is a correlation.

That is aa very good point and may be worthwhile looking in to thank you.

tynan's security-paste™ is the most effective deterrent.

Lynx

your latter contributions have actually been worthwhile and I will admit I misjudged you based on how you started out on this thread. It would have been much better if you had contributed your intelligent contributions earlier

please don't let that above (minor) criticism obscure the fact that I wish to apologise for my harsh words earlier

I was being an overly aggressive cunt, sorry.

Chapeau James.

lynx, I think what you are trying to do certainly has some merit.
However, the answers to some of your questions are already in the threads people have suggested to you.

Here in list form (whatever else?) are some answers that do not need to be looked for:

1. Sold Secure Gold cannot be trusted, as possible deference to large companies appears to exist.
   
2. The Sheldon bicycle locking method may not be adequate for major cities like London.
   
3. 16mm U-locks/Chains and thicker appear not to be cut by manually-powered boltcroppers.
   
4. Many thefts are due to incorrect locking procedures.
   
5. Bikes locked with Krytonite Fahg Mini have not been stolen if following normal guidelines.
   
6. OnGuard (Brute) locks appear to have an issue with amount of key cuttings issued.
   
7. Saddle security can be best affected by super-gluing a ballbearing into the nut.
   
8. Newest idea for bike security is motorcycle disc lock alarm, put through chainring (tested by Clefty).
   Excellent if bike is stored in communal halls, or on fire escape, or at work in bike sheds/stands.
   
   

Would you say that the security has not actually been discussed? Even if it hasn't, at least research, and innovation (on this forum)
has led to many coming on here to find out more. I feel that what you may want to ask, has already been answered, but not in the form that suits you.