Puerile sexist shite

Very shapely, aren't they Greasy?

1. Fred
   
2. Hugh Hefner
   
3. Heather Mills
   
4. Lady Gaga (not sexist)
   
5. Boutros boutros Ghali
   
6. Billy Ray Cyrus
   
7. Josef Fritzl
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Very shapely, aren't they Greasy?

well proportioned and show no signs of aging.. i hope mine stay like that when i reach that grand age

They look like they are chiselled from granite. Extraordinary.

Repd - Scotts argument had all angles covered.. You worked hard to find and angle to prove him wrong there Will. i admire that in a **mad **with a great set of pins

Mad?

Is it ok to slag off Heather Mills?

No it is'nt, some gentle leg pulling is fine though

Will has great legs, i'd pork him.

1. Fred
   
2. Hugh Hefner
   
3. Heather Mills
   
4. Lady Gaga (not sexist)
   
5. Boutros boutros Ghali
   
6. Billy Ray Cyrus
   
7. Josef Fritzl
   
8. Phillip Garrido
   

Mad?

no idea what you are on about

Sorry guys, I resisted and resisted for the whole topic, I know that was childish.

Repd - Scotts argument had all angles covered.. You worked hard to find** and **angle to prove him wrong there Will. i admire that in a man with a great set of pins

Oops. Edit that :)

Fk it!!

Whatever. I'm off to work (in a female/gay dominated environment). Puerility will help to pass the time :/

Make sure you'll stand with your bum up against the wall.

:(

I like the drivel.

I wonder if it's possible to create an idea of the ideal for the forum, the way that we'd want it to be as an online representation.

I'm afraid that I agree with the large number of those who feel that the forum contains a sexist element, but where I differ is that I don't think it's a new thing or that it's something on the rise... it's always been there, but with the increase in size it becomes more visible.

I recall a West drinks years ago... one of the early ones. Felicity and I were there, and it was put to Fizz by someone who perhaps thought it amusing, that the reason that I had not attended a ride the week prior was because I didn't have permission to come out... it wasn't quite a "ball and chain" comment... but even from that early moment it was plainly obvious that some people really were thinking in a way that I hadn't comprehended and that indeed it wasn't too surprising that fewer women exist in the community.

I see sexism and I see that the behaviours of some not only perpetuate sexism but also reward the sexism of others.

But I'm stuck in contradiction. Do I as admin do something about it, or should I let it be? This was the same question that was raised about the "glossy photos" thread, and unfortunately for those who would have me moderate everything I have a stronger belief in the need to keep the forum open, free of censorship and to allow the community to establish the decency levels and for the community to enforce them.

When it comes down to content I simply won't moderate anything that doesn't breach the limited rules that we have. And the rules that we have are there for 2 reasons, 1 is basic legal requirements (no race hate for example) and 2 to maintain a minimum level of service (no porn as it threatens that we will be blacklisted).

What I don't do is define a subjective level of decency. I don't push onto any of you the things I do or do not agree with, my morals, my ethics, my beliefs... you're free to act as you will.

Of course the downside to this is the sexist rubbish, the racist rubbish, all of that stuff.

I like to imagine, in fact this is where I get all hippy on you, that the community is a very large family, that we are a family who care for and protect each other, and that this loosely extends to all other cyclists.

I like to imagine that we have a good level of respect for each other, that we act fair by each other, that we would do unto others not just as we would have done to us but better than that.

I like to imagine that when things happen, that this community is there... standing strong and supporting each other.

I like to imagine that we don't need to create an artificial system of control to assess whether those in the family are behaving... I like us to exist in a little world free from censorship, a little world that operates as we would wish it, and most of us are anti-authoritarian to some degree and desire a free (as in speech) place in which we can exist.

For the most part this image although idyllic is actually factual. That in itself is incredible.

Where it goes wrong is in two places:
1) That some don't hold these ideals and manifest their prejudices in this grand conversation that this community has.
2) That those who do hold these ideals respond in a way not aligned with these ideals.

What I mean is that first people are sexist, racist, or just act like jerks... in fact let's just summarise all of that shite as being a muppet for the simplicity of it. So here we have muppets acting like muppets... but then instead of the idealistics attempting to unmuppetise the muppets... the idealists turn into muppets too.

And thus... a rapidly descending argument ensues, popcorn is brought forth, and then it all derails and dissipates.

With a lot of frustration I would ask, "Why can't we just step-back, listen to others, and try and aspire to treating each other in a cool way?". But this is the internet... what hope do we have? It's also a reflection on mankind who I'd put the same question to.

Fuck, I dunno... I guess I find both extremes as vile as each other. I like the middle ground, the mutual respect, the coolness of just being and enjoying being. I hate hate hate the notion that this community would need me, or anyone, to moderate it.

This is all a ramble. But really... instead of people getting defensive or picking apart every word someone says... let's simply exhibit the behaviour we want to see. Not just in one area, but in all areas.

I hate to invoke bill and ted, but... be excellent to each other.

And that means on here, and not just down the pub.

Maybe it's time to start thinking more about what we ourselves are saying and doing rather than what everyone else is.

It's pretty naive to think that when you start threads like that it won't have a cummulative effect and encourage others to start similar threads.
Now i'm not trying to tell people what threads to start, but just be aware, that if you continue to post drivel...others will too.

island of sanity in an ocean of drivel. mwah. xxx

SPOKEY!
I quoted those exact two pieces of Scotts post - they hit the target
REPD

I wonder if it's possible to create an idea of the ideal for the forum, the way that we'd want it to be as an online representation.

The last time I saw that attempted, the forum casually imploded on itself and lost everything that had been of it's greatest value.

As for moderation, moderation begets trolls. This is an inescapable fact of the internet.

This forum rocks - an entire sensitive topic covered off and calmed down in under 5 pages (1/2 a day) with not one casualty, instead dusted with Love

No casualties?

What about the fucken African Sunsets?

I think GS was referring to the fact that not one episode of Casualty was aired during the whole debacle.

There are small mercies, oh yes.

Mind you, The Fucken African Sunsets are still playing at The Water Rats tonight so I don't think they're doing too badly.

So, the shaunshares are cool?

Pity there was no discussion about blatantly racist and offensive remarks in that thread about Usain Bolt.
Whoever made them - you're hypocrites.