Mash / Cinelli Vigorelli

compromise don't necessary mean bad, while alu is pretty light, it can be too stiff sometime, even the Globe Haul I have were too stiff until I drastically change some of the component to compensate.

steel and carbon fork make for a lovely ride, but in the end, it's horses for courses, some like alu, some like steel.

while others claim the human body cannot actually feel the minor differences in frame materials and any that are there are masked by the tyres, seat, bar tape etc,.
Apparently no technical tests can pick up any noticeable differences so why would a human be able to?

When I say others I mean Mike Burrows but I feel he has a point. I think forks make a difference because they actually move/bend but a frame made up of triangles and welded/joined very securely is not going to move anywhere is it?

Well, he does have a point, but it's entirely possible to feel a minor difference, for instance, the flex on the BB shell, the 'slow' handling of a relaxed geo frame, the difference between a steel and alu frame etc.

what's I think is a little hard to tell the difference are thing like the tubing of the frame (631 vs. 853).

Yes flex and handling are noticeable, what he is saying is the material differences are not.
Could be that people want to find differences!

In your opinion you mean.

Haha obviously?? I am being silly. I like my bike because it's my bike. I can't afford a Cinelli and they don't make them in my size.

That one is quite decent

bit here about the benny gold frame http://www.highsnobiety.com/news/2010/01/28/mash-x-cinelli-bike-frame-2010-colorway/#comments

Inspired by the Adidas Rod Laver shoe. FFS!

Shit! Hitler's just invaded Poland!

That one is quite decent

Are the welds at the head tube actually as cheap and shitty as they look in this pic?

that's a fair point, look fairly similar to Leader welds.

Are the welds at the head tube actually as cheap and shitty as they look in this pic?

Yep

Didn't know you'd been on one?

I don't need to ride one to see they have wank welds

Overpriced shite

Compelling.

How does your langsta™ ride?

I don't need to ride one to see they have wank welds

Overpriced shite

Wahey! Pistys back! Old news but still wanted to acknowledge it. This and other threads have missed your jovial ways.

Shame you're still talking shit about alu welds tho. Didn't u learn anything on your sabbatical?

Moaning about alu welds is like moaning that chocolate makes for a shit teapot. Yep its tricky to weld but hey, its a third of the weight of steel. Sounds like a good trade off to me. The mash is triple butted T6 so alu doesn't get much better.

All this shit about welds...change the (house music) record dude...my welds are smooth like butter...and check a few pages back...I think I built your dream bike.

YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE!

....Didn't u learn anything.....

Yep its tricky to weld but hey, its a third of the weight of steel.

Not bad, seeing that an average steel frame is around 2000g you are saying that an alu frame will be 650g.

Let us know where you get them please.

density of steel = 7.8g/cm3 / density of steel = 2.7g/cm3

you're right...instead of saying 3 times lighter i should have said 2.88 recurring times lighter

i take it back

density of steel = 7.8g/cm3 / density of steel = 2.7g/cm3

you're right...instead if saying 3 times lighter i should have said 2.88 recurring times lighter

i take it back

So you still think an average alu frame is 650g then?

It may be a third less dense (not lighter), but there is frequently more metal on a alu frame, so it never works out that way.

density of*** steel*** = 7.8g/cm3 / density of steel = 2.7g/cm3

you're right...instead of saying 3 times lighter i should have said 2.88 recurring times lighter

i take it back

Comparison fail.

So you still think an average alu frame is 650g then?

Mash f+f 54cm is 560g

Can't say I know where you're going with this

Comparison fail.
hah! Thanks - hadn't noticed. Bit caned

lol, the fork **alone **weighs 560g

You must have never ridden the thing to not have realised this.

It may be a third less dense (not lighter).
physics fail.

WEIGHT: 3.31lbs

From here http://www.wrenchscience.com/road/frames/Cinelli/MASH

3.31lb = 1501.39g

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