G20 demonstrations

Ultimately the police are there to protect the laws of the ruling classes. Sometimes, the laws of the ruling classes help the rest of us (e.g. making murder, rape etc illegal), but the primary purpose of the police is to protect private property, enclosure of commons, capital accumulation, and their privileged paymasters. You see, an economic system like capitalism that is manifested through a process of what is essentially crisis management can't survive without workers who do what they're told and STFU. The first police forces were gangs of thugs hired to protect property that was stolen from the peasants and sold/rented back to them by feudal lords. And they still are, in a sense, even if they have taken on some moderate 'community support' functions over the years.

well said.

Not at all irrelevant. How do you know that wasn't her motive for goading the police, y'know, in the back of her mind she knew she could sell her story and make a few quid. So her reasoning for being so aggressive (that she was protecting her friend, or whatever) would have come under more scrutiny. The fact that she didn't even turn up to court speaks volumes. So no, not irrelevant. (How's that? Any good?)

What I was saying yesterday:

....It doesnt matter now if everyone starts goading police trying to get themselves into a situation like the Brighton lady, the police are trained not to lash out and become the type of people theyre there to put away in the first place. It doesnt matter one bit who the fuck she was or what her intentions were, she still got a kicking from the cops for doing pretty much bugger all.

You probably do deserve to get chinned for goading the police as youre being a tosser but I would still think it totally fucked for the police to actually react to it. Theyre trained to rise above it arent they?

Not at all irrelevant. How do you know that wasn't her motive for goading the police, y'know, in the back of her mind she knew she could sell her story and make a few quid. So her reasoning for being so aggressive (that she was protecting her friend, or whatever) would have come under more scrutiny. The fact that she didn't even turn up to court speaks volumes. So no, not irrelevant. (How's that? Any good?)

I'm all for a healthy dose of cynicism (sp?), but do you honsetly think that this woman say a vigil for the unfortunate death the day before, and thought "hang on one sec, if i go down there and goad that popo, then he will hit me, and beat me, and i am sure to be caught on camera, and i am sure to make £50k when Max Clifford comes knocking at my door", cos that is clearly bullshit. Is it a mere coincidence that the day she decided to 'act up' is the same weekend that the police have already proven to be in a brutal mood (death of Ian thomlinson, trampling and chargin of climate campers, kettling etc., or do you think that it is probably the police mood which is the catalyst here?

It's irrelevant.

I think I have said this before, but when corned about the fact that you beat your wife once a week, it is no excuse to say that the bloke down the road beats his wife 5 times a week

It actually is quite relevant, if you live in the real world. Police would not treat the above example equally would they, they would come down harder on the man who beats his wife 5x a week It's not completely fair, but that's the way it is, because police resources are not unlimited.. The police would make a call, which one poses a greater threat to the public.

Similarly you will face greater punishment if you are caught with 20g of Cocaine, than if you are caught with 1g. It's not so much excusing the criminal, as putting things in perspective.

I'm all for a healthy dose of cynicism (sp?), but do you honsetly think that this woman say a vigil for the unfortunate death the day before, and thought "hang on one sec, if i go down there and goad that popo, then he will hit me, and beat me, and i am sure to be caught on camera, and i am sure to make £50k when Max Clifford comes knocking at my door", cos that is clearly bullshit.

Well i'll guess we'll never know, since she didn't even fucking bother to turn up to court.

It actually is very relevant, if you live in the real world. Police would not treat the above example equally would they, they would come down harder on the man who beats his wife 5x a week It's not completely fair, but that's the way it is, because police resources are not unlimited.. The police would make a call, which one poses a greater threat to the public.

Similarly you will face greater punishment if you are caught with 20g of Cocaine, than if you are caught with 1g. It's not so much excusing the criminal, as putting things in perspective.

Do you remember what it is we are questioning?

Woman A was beaten by Officer B, did Officer B act illegitimatly, or outside of the realms of action which those whom he serves would accept. discuss.

I don't see how it is relevant to bring into that question the fact that man C,D or E were beaten, raped or shot by Officers F,G and H in foreign lands.

It irrelevant because it was not her actions that came under scrutiny. Whether she did it for money or not (I fucking doubt it), the cop acted in a way he shouldn't have, and that is what is being discussed.

Her actions had a direct influence on his actions, how can you not see that? Of course her actions are completely relevant, if she is looking to convict him for assault. Any court will most certainly take this in to account, and they did.

It actually is very relevant, if you live in the real world. Police would not treat the above example equally would they, they would come down harder on the man who beats his wife 5x a week It's not completely fair, but that's the way it is, because police resources are not unlimited.. The police would make a call, which one poses a greater threat to the public.

Similarly you will face greater punishment if you are caught with 20g of Cocaine, than if you are caught with 1g. It's not so much excusing the criminal, as putting things in perspective.

Both are still crimes. "He didn't beat her that much" is the shittiest defence I have ever heard.

Yes I know that. In the real world, it does matter. Buying some Heroin and buying some Cannabis are both crimes, should they both be punished equally by the law? Do you think it's a shitty defence for the Cannabis buyer to say "My drug does less damage to society as a whole than his drug, so I should receive a less harsh sentence", or is that invalid to you?

LPG i think you have forgotten what the original point was...

Wasnt it about some police office beating up a bloke from brighton for buying crack and weed but the police officer got let off because the guy was on drugs at the time and couldnt remember if it was the police who beat him or some kids from Littlehampton.

Her actions had a direct influence on his actions, how can you not see that? Of course her actions are completely relevant, if she is looking to convict him for assault. Any court will most certainly take this in to account, and they did.

Nice try. Of course her actions will be taken into account in terms of what she did before she was hit (i.e. did she hit him, did she threaten him, did she have a knife). However, they did not take into account her getting 50k after the fact (this is what I meant when I wrote "ex post facto"), which is what we are actually arguing about.

Wasnt it about some police office beating up a bloke from brighton for buying crack and weed but the police officer got let off because the guy was on drugs at the time and couldnt remember if it was the police who beat him or if it was Rodney King.

spot on

Thats the one

Yes I know that. In the real world, it does matter. Buying some Heroin and buying some Cannabis are both crimes, should they both be punished equally by the law? Do you think it's a shitty defence for the Cannabis buyer to say "My drug does less damage to society as a whole than his drug, so I should receive a less harsh sentence", or is that invalid to you?

They are different crimes (different classes of drug).

And in any case, I'm not going to defend fucked up laws.

if you live in the real world.

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ha ha etc. is just being childish...

ha! Have you been reading this thread?

ha ha etc. is just being childish...

You're right - and it was a repost. What I meant was

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It actually is quite relevant, if you live in the real world. Police would not treat the above example equally would they, they would come down harder on the man who beats his wife 5x a week It's not completely fair, but that's the way it is, because police resources are not unlimited.. The police would make a call, which one poses a greater threat to the public.

Similarly you will face greater punishment if you are caught with 20g of Cocaine, than if you are caught with 1g. It's not so much excusing the criminal, as putting things in perspective.

"It actually is quite relevant, if you live in the real world."

Hey calm down Ren, I am not part of this bun fight !!

You seem to have changed my point from one of a worse crime does not excuse a lesser to an argument of proportionality.

I might not have made my point very well, let me try again . . . the argument that "the police in other countries would treat you much worse" (or variations on that theme) is irrelevant in the respect that it does not excuse poor policing here.

Similalry you do not excuse your own beating of your wife by pointing to a worse example, the guy down the street may be worse, and as you say the police may come down harder on him, but none of this excuses, mitigates, lessens or otherwise diminishes the fact that you have beaten your wife.

I hope that's a bit clearer.

I don't want to get into this argument, I am just being a pedant here and whenever I see that line of defence for what some see as poor policing I can't help but stick my oar in as it is an unsound argument.

If you give me time I can probably remember the name of the fallacy, but it escapes me right now, nothing a pair of cans of Kronenberg won't reveal.

Maybe this is a better way of putting it (a little over the top, but I am trying to make the point):

*A: "This hospital is awful, the toilets are overflowing, the doctors are drunk and the death rate is forty times the national average"

B: "Well, compared to hospitals in North Korea I think you will find this place is pretty good and the death rate is half that of Pyongyang hospital"*

What should be the response here ? Should it be "Really, Pyongyang hospital sounds terrible, I suppose we should be grateful for what we have" - or would you be justified in saying "That's irrelevant, this place is still a shit hole and needs cleaning up"

So when you say "[the police] are exceptionally well-mannered, compared to every other police force in the world." - I am not agreeing with you or disagreeing with you, I am just saying it is irrelevant - unless the conversation is 'who is the best police force in the world'.

Anyhow good luck to this thread and all who sail in her.

Yeah, I thought we settled it yesterday?
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girl is aggressive (and clearly a bit of a nut) and could potentially kick the crowd off (which did start happening) and crazy arse cop (who is clearly a bit of a cunt too) hits girl to defuse the situation.

what did I miss?

ha ha ha.... my girlfriend just asked if her wheelchair is fixed gear cause she wants to join up to see what it's all about

It clearly wasn't 'settled', you and lpg and your little army buddy kept repeating the same argument over and over, that she got what she deserved and somehow linked this to some undecided amount of money she received for her story.
why do you think she is clearly a bit of a nut. when i watch that video i see her telling the policeman to stop being so aggresive,.

why do you think she is clearly a bit of a nut. when i watch that video i see her telling the policeman to stop being so aggresive,.

You'd have to be a nut to tell a strung out foot soldier to chill out? Therefore, it's her fault. Fucking nut.

Clive, use some of your lawyering skillz to tell us what's what.

It clearly wasn't 'settled', you and lpg and your little army buddy kept repeating the same argument over and over, that she got what she deserved and somehow linked this to some undecided amount of money she received for her story.
why do you think she is clearly a bit of a nut. when i watch that video i see her telling the policeman to stop being so aggresive,.

Wrong and wrong. I didn't say she got what she deserved. I said the money she received from her publicist may have been a contributing factor to why she instigated a ruckus. I don't think she was at all thinking of the money, to be honest, but that's not the point. The policeman's defence team could have argued that. If she wants justice, why take the money and not attend court?

You, and a lot of people on this thread, seem to believe the police officer was 100% responsible for what happened.. I am just disputing that, and trying to put things into perspective. The situation was getting tense, a civilian died on the previous day (so police would have been on edge, maybe a civilian wanted to take revenge - he did have a Millwall shirt on and Millwall fans do have a bad rep of violence), you have to take a lot of different things into account before you place the blame. Which is what the court did yesterday, and why he was acquitted. He may still face internal disciplinary action, he may not get off with what happened.