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• #1377
"Ms Fisher decided not to give evidence at the trial because she feared her lifestyle may be raised by the defence."
Errr
whats she got to hide?
Errr
what does it matter?
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She was being abusive, had ignored several warnings to move back, and was behaving like a tw@t. She got a smack and 26k.
Boo Hoo.
If we are going to look at it from another perspective, he had little time to react to a situation, he believed she posed a threat to him and she was dealt with.
Crowds dont spontaneously burst into violence. There is escalation based on increasing acts of aggression/violence etc which build up the anger of the crowd and bolster their courage. This will normally start with shouting abuse at a distance, spitting etc. They will then advance closer towards the object of their abuse and become more aggressive.
Normally someone who believes that they are particularly untouchable, will get closer to the police because they think "I wont get a smack because no one could react to a girl". They then provoke a reaction and hope secretly that they will get nicked so they can be the victim and sell their story to the Guardian. This woman played with fire and got burnt. This copper had to decide between keeping the perimeter or nicking her. Looking at the video you can tell that had she been arrested it would have taken several policemen to deal with her, so we then have a situation with several officers below waist level/vunerable to attack from the now enraged soap dodgers who are keen to "rescue" this moron. He chose not to arrest her and defuse the situation quickly, thus keeping the perimeter.
The stupid bint was out to provoke a response. Of course as soon as its over she sticks on her girly voice and calmly explains how she was perfectly innocently walking her little brother home from school with a carton of juice to feed the starving millions of Africa when this policeman descends out of nowhere and for no reason decides to smack her about.
Again we see another example of the media outrage bus influencing the IPCC and CPS. It should never have gone to trial.
"Ms Fisher decided not to give evidence at the trial because she feared her lifestyle may be raised by the defence."
Errr
whats she got to hide?
no.
I have tried to debate with you but you just seem to go in circles, focusing on the £26k and your opinion of her sumised lifestyle.
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flxh - are you in the army as your avatar would suggest?
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From http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/mar/31/g20-police-sergeant-cleared-baton-charge
Smellie, from the Met's territorial support group (TSG), a specialist public order unit, argued during his trial that he believed Fisher posed a threat to himself and fellow officers. He said he repeatedly struck Fisher, who was considerably smaller than him, after mistaking a carton of orange juice and digital camera she was carrying for weapons.
The district judge, Daphne Wickham, said there was no evidence that his use of the baton was not approved, correct or measured, adding that Smellie had a*** "mere seven seconds" ***to act, and other witnesses had feared for his safety.A) If he's from a "specialist public order unit" and he mistakes a carton of orange juice and a camera for a weapon, even in a fray, then he needs better training and/or glasses.
B) A "mere seven seconds" is quite a long time (count it out) in a high-adrenaline situation. I doubt most pub brawls even last that long. Plenty of time to assess the situation, and (you would have thought) to establish whether or not the carton of tropicana is a machete. Especially if you're supposedly experienced in assessing volatile or high-risk situations.
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He believed she posed a threat to him and she was dealt with....This woman played with fire and got burnt.
Anyone fucks with the police they get burned, hell yeah.
Rodney King can piss off too, he was posing a threat and that fucker got dealt with good and proper. Right on flxh!! -
• #1383
Ha! Funny! That's exactly the same thing! I forgot how she killed that person.
Oh wait. It was the cops who killed someone. And that's what they were protesting.
Did you find that on the BNP web page?
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• #1386
Sorry, what? Because someone has a traditionally on the right views on something, you think they must be religious? What?
What? Are you responding to my (lame) joke? It was an English joke. He said "Christ you're a mong." Can be read in two ways.
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• #1387
I'm not the one relating the incident to the Rodney King beating am I? Or likening it to how women in short skirts are 'asking for it' ...
No, you're not comparing it to Rodney King. That makes sense. It is a case of police brutality, if on a more extreme level. You're the one posting subtly (or not so subtly) racist images that, as far as I can tell, are completely our of context (what crime did she commit?). You are a complete and total cock end.
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No, you're not comparing it to Rodney King. That makes sense. It is a case of police brutality, if on a more extreme level. You're the one posting subtly (or not so subtly) racist images that, as far as I can tell, are completely our of context (what crime did she commit?). You are a complete and total cock end.
+1, hit the nail on the head. looks pretty rascist to me
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You think she's a victim of police brutality but you haven't got the slightly fucking idea how brutal the police can really be. I have seen people get properly battered by the police in other places, for doing the same thing ... this is NOTHING. She got whacked on the legs a few times, big fucking deal. She played with fire and she got burnt. The image I posted was only to try and put things in perspective, I know she didn't murder anyone but the idea behind it is exactly the same. People see a video on youtube and cry "Police brutality" without properly knowing or understanding the situation and hearing both sides of the story.
Oh and she made £50K out of it, not £26K, so yeah, not bad for a days work. Well done Nicola Fisher.
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You think she's a victim of police brutality but you haven't got the slightly fucking idea how brutal the police can really be. I have seen people get properly battered by the police in other places, for doing the same thing ... this is NOTHING. She got whacked on the legs a few times, big fucking deal. She played with fire and she got burnt. The image I posted was only to try and put things in perspective, I know she didn't murder anyone but the idea behind it is exactly the same. People see a video on youtube and cry "Police brutality" without properly knowing or understanding the situation and hearing both sides of the story.
Oh and she made £50K out of it, not £26K, so yeah, not bad for a days work. Well done Nicola Fisher.
LPG can you please re-read the last day of this thread. I have pointed out, as has Tynan, that it makes not the slightest bit of difference what other police forces are like. had this been America maybe she would have been shot, had this been the GDR the Stasi may have dissapeared her; so what, what's your point? we are talking about the police force in Britain, and whether we deem them to have acted outside of the expectations and boundaries of the police for of Britain.
Also, the money aspect is completly irrelevant also, give me one valid reason for bringing it up?
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Yeah sorry the Rodney King thing is totally different. I only mentioned it because of the gung-ho sounding flxh post.
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• #1393
You think she's a victim of police brutality but you haven't got the slightly fucking idea how brutal the police can really be. have seen people get properly battered by the police in other places, for doing the same thing ... this is NOTHING. She got whacked on the legs a few times, big fucking deal. She played with fire and she got burnt. The image I posted was only to try and put things in perspective, I know she didn't murder anyone but the idea behind it is exactly the same. People see a video on youtube and cry "Police brutality" without knowing the facts and hearing both sides of the story.
So, it was just a little whack in the face, and some beating of the legs. Not that bad compared to what's happened to other people. She should man up, yeah?
What happens to other people (and of course there are worse cases) is irrelevant. We are talking about one case, of a jock in a uniform acting like a tough guy.
And the idea behind the image and people upset about the actions of this police officer is not exactly the same.
Oh and she made £50K out of it, not £26K, so yeah, not bad for a days work. Well done Nicola Fisher.
Ex post facto. Irrelevant. Keep trying though.
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Yeah sorry the Rodney King thing is totally different. I only mentioned it because of the gung-ho sounding flxh post.
Not really that different is it? both examples of police brutality, both cases in which people ahve looked at stereotypes they assume the individuals fit to and then say "they desrved what they got"
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It was rather extreme though. But you get the point.
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LPG can you please re-read the last day of this thread. I have pointed out, as has Tynan, that it makes not the slightest bit of difference what other police forces are like. had this been America maybe she would have been shot, had this been the GDR the Stasi may have dissapeared her; so what, what's your point? we are talking about the police force in Britain, and whether we deem them to have acted outside of the expectations and boundaries of the police for of Britain.
Also, the money aspect is completly irrelevant also, give me one valid reason for bringing it up?
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(She sold her story) .... Ex post facto. Irrelevant. Keep trying though.
Not at all irrelevant. How do you know that wasn't her motive for goading the police, y'know, in the back of her mind she knew she could sell her story and make a few quid. So her reasoning for being so aggressive (that she was protecting her friend, or whatever) would have come under more scrutiny. The fact that she didn't even turn up to court speaks volumes. So no, not irrelevant. (How's that? Any good?)
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• #1399
Not at all irrelevant. How do you know that wasn't her motive for goading the police, y'know, in the back of her mind she knew she could sell her story and make a few quid. So her reasoning for being so aggressive (that she was protecting her friend, or whatever) would have come under more scrutiny. The fact that she didn't even turn up to court speaks volumes. So no, not irrelevant. (How's that? Any good?)
It irrelevant because it was not her actions that came under scrutiny. Whether she did it for money or not (I fucking doubt it), the cop acted in a way he shouldn't have, and that is what is being discussed.
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She was being abusive, had ignored several warnings to move back, and was behaving like a tw@t. She got a smack and 26k.
Boo Hoo.
If we are going to look at it from another perspective, he had little time to react to a situation, he believed she posed a threat to him and she was dealt with.
Crowds dont spontaneously burst into violence. There is escalation based on increasing acts of aggression/violence etc which build up the anger of the crowd and bolster their courage. This will normally start with shouting abuse at a distance, spitting etc. They will then advance closer towards the object of their abuse and become more aggressive.
Normally someone who believes that they are particularly untouchable, will get closer to the police because they think "I wont get a smack because no one could react to a girl". They then provoke a reaction and hope secretly that they will get nicked so they can be the victim and sell their story to the Guardian. This woman played with fire and got burnt. This copper had to decide between keeping the perimeter or nicking her. Looking at the video you can tell that had she been arrested it would have taken several policemen to deal with her, so we then have a situation with several officers below waist level/vunerable to attack from the now enraged soap dodgers who are keen to "rescue" this moron. He chose not to arrest her and defuse the situation quickly, thus keeping the perimeter.
The stupid bint was out to provoke a response. Of course as soon as its over she sticks on her girly voice and calmly explains how she was perfectly innocently walking her little brother home from school with a carton of juice to feed the starving millions of Africa when this policeman descends out of nowhere and for no reason decides to smack her about.
Again we see another example of the media outrage bus influencing the IPCC and CPS. It should never have gone to trial.
"Ms Fisher decided not to give evidence at the trial because she feared her lifestyle may be raised by the defence."
Errr
whats she got to hide?
no.