Jade Goody's dead

Fearne Cotton?! Gads man, she's feckin 'orrible!!

I hope you're not gettin mixed up with Fearne Britten?

Fearne Cotton is FFFFFFFFITT! 'til she opens her mouth

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Her on diggit mate, early sunday mornings (Fearne Cotton)

The red tops and shite celeb mages are amoungst the most widely read tat in Englands famous England.
She made more girls between the ages of 14 to 40 aware of the risks of cervical cancer, i'd be interested to see the rise in smear tests for this year? it could be one your sisters, cousins, girlfriends or friends loved one.

Her life was worth something

(Greasy - still to lazy to log fiddy out)

I hope you're not gettin mixed up with Fearne Britten?

Fearne Cotton is FFFFFFFFITT! 'til she opens her mouth

Hey! Don't lower the tone of this thread...

Well,

It all depends on the definition of racism really.

I think we could all agree that racism could be broadly seen as considering another race of people (?) as in someway inferior.

If it includes saying things with a negative racial context and then justifying them not by racism but intellectual shortcomings then potentially yes.

Also if it includes allowing racist activity to continue in her presence then also yes.

Good grief, this is desperate, some people really need this now dead woman to fit their stereotypical working class ignorant and racist cunt.

Don't let me take your fantasy from you.

However, the vague challenge laid down by Tynan is open to easy reparsing and an obvious defence.

Challenge ?

I am simply asking to be directed to examples of her racism, hardly a challenge, why not point them out rather than play around with the question ?

Didn't she call that Shilpa Shetty a poppadum?

Didn't she call that Shilpa Shetty a poppadum?

is that a racist insult? or was she just being poppadommist?

I hope you're not gettin mixed up with Fearne Britten?

Fearne Cotton is FFFFFFFFITT! 'til she opens her mouth

Nah, not for me. She reminds me of a sparrow, all beak nosed and spindly....

My mother died at 23 - childbirth. She'd just given birth to identical twins. Even that was funny to someone here on this forum.

That could be referring to me. If not, whatever.

If so, you've got the wrong end of the stick. I remember you mentioning this fact ages ago, and I said that I thought it explained everything - the loss of a twin, not the death of your mother.

There are numerous documented cases of people in your position (lost a twin at birth or not long either side) whose personalities involve a strong aspect of always feeling there's something missing. They often enter into lifelong quests to fill the void/realise the 'missing' part of their sense of self, and this can manifest in a creative way, or in idiosyncratic behaviours e.g. making lists. A sort of hunger for order, control, sense...

I added a winking emoticon after the comment being referred to, not to say ha-fucking-ha your mother and twin brother died, but as a way of hinting that you'd probably be aware of the phenomenon from your own reading around the subject, and possibly acknowledge the fact, or at least ask for clarification.

Anyway, I've got a fairly photographic memory, and alarm bells started ringing when you posted the quote above. I thought I'd better explain.

Ok - that obvioulsy came out completely wrong. I have no hostility towards her - I think she cuts a pretty sad figure.

My point was meant to be that she pushed herself so hard into the media spotlight at the end, to the extent even Max Clifford was not comfortable with some of the decisions. It is the relentless reporting of this that seems to have got everyones knickers in a twist.
All of her adult life was spent in the media and as a result that's where all of her money came from. It not surprising she didn't know any other way to spend the last part of it.

Fair point, as it has been said, she had a pretty poor upbringing, no qualifications, it was either that or some shit job somewhere - I think she made the right decision.

Your point about John Diamond ending life in a dignified way (in the media) must be seen in context.

John Diamond was leaving his two children into the safe hands of a very wealthy extended family, an ex-chancellor of the Exchequer and Baron's daughter, Nigella Lawson a University of Oxford educated celebrity food writer, journalist and broadcaster. Owner of a highly successful kitchenware range, a successful TV career, a successful author . . . and so on . . . . (that she later married into the Saatchi dynasty might give us a clue as to the circles she moves in).

This is where John Diamond knew he was leaving his children, into this privileged environment. He can well afford to check out in a way that ticks all the correct Guardian reader boxes.

What did Jade Goody have to weigh up when told she would not live to see her kids grow up ?

Jade Goody was leaving her two children to a fragmented and dysfunctional family, a crack using drug addict mother, a dad who overdosed and died in a Kentucky Fried Chicken toilet and a husband who is variously in and out of prison or on license for ABH, and so on. This is where Jade Goody knew she was leaving her children.

Hardly a fair contest, John Diamond may not have done any of the things the middle class find so distasteful, but I think he could afford to check out with all the style of an educated, successful and literate journalist, safe in the knowledge that his affairs would be taken care for him.

I think Jade did pretty well, she checked out having gathered as much money for her kids future as she could from people who wanted to read about this kind of crap, made sure none of it was to go to her criminally violent husband, she managed to not become a drug addict like most of her close family, or turn to crime and she looked as if she enjoyed herself for a while in her short life.

You make good and valid arguments Tynan, but you go and bugger them up by filling them with slapdash stereotypes of your own!

I don't begrudge her taking the OK shilling. I think that's the least that she and her kids deserve for what she's been through in the media.

I guess I think there should have been a point where she said - OK that's enough. But possibly she didn't have the support from friends and family to do that...to step away. The way I see it (and what I meant above) is that her apparent lack of self-esteem made her value being in the press as being popular / famous / a celebrity - an end in itself if you like, rather than a means to provide for her children.

It's just how it looked to me.

Please don't oversimplify this by implying it's a class issue. It's easy to suggest the vitriol is purely a middle-class response to a working-class person 'getting above their station', but there are so many variables - none of which can be put down to class.

In the nicest possible way, you can do better than that.

Maybe you have a point, I might be overstating the point, but I do think class has a bearing on how each of these people chose to end their lives and how each was perceived.

Jade may have done the grubby 'OK' sanctioned last minute money run on her way out to ensure long term stability for her children - but I am pretty sure during the latter days of the dignified demise of John Diamond, there would have been solicitors moving funds to long term high interest deposits, transferring of assets and other financial dealings to similarly leave his children out of reach of financial problems when they grow up.

They each did it the only way they knew, one is no more dignified than the other (dignified being one of those meaningless and unqualifiable words I hate).

Anyhow, she's dead now, enough of all this, let's find the body, dig it up and eat it.

You make good and valid arguments Tynan, but you go and bugger them up by filling them with slapdash stereotypes of your own!

My post (above this one I am quoting) contained no stereotypes, the two descriptions were of actual families.

The way I see it (and what I meant above) is that her apparent lack of self-esteem made her value being in the press as being popular / famous / a celebrity - an end in itself if you like, rather than a means to provide for her children.

You are absolutely right - this is obvious as her children were born after she began her quest for fame. I also think things change over time, for instance - what was once a hobby might later be realised as a way to provide for your family.

Well stereotypes or not I meant that phrases such as 'that ticks all the correct Guardian reader boxes' and 'may not have done any of the things the middle class find so distasteful' are fairly 'broad-brush' (or whatever the saying is) remarks that somewhat belittle your arguments.
If you feel that many of the attacks on this dead woman are made because of her class or social status don't you feel that it's not too persuasive to retort with arguments containing class-based generalisations built on the same foundations as those you are arguing against?

You are absolutely right - this is obvious as her children were born after she began her quest for fame. I also think things change over time, for instance - what was once a hobby might later be realised as a way to provide for your family.

I agree with you.

I agree with you.

I agree with you agreeing with me.

If you feel that many of the attacks on this dead woman are made because of her class or social status don't you feel that it's not too persuasive to retort with arguments containing class-based generalisations built on the same foundations as those you are arguing against?

You might be right here.

What I mean by 'ticks all the correct Guardian reader boxes' was that his (John Diamond's) departure was a world apart from Jade's flaming roller-coaster loaded with media Semtex™ ending - I wasn't trying to make any bigger point than that.

I am in agreement of agreement.

Now, shall we all build a monument to the Princess of North Rotherhithe?

I suggest a statue made of sugar, and sited in East Angular.

Snigger.....

How agreeable.

can we just have a picture of tynan's immaculate dismantled drivetrain?

it makes me feel warm inside.

can we just have a picture of tynan's immaculate dismantled drivetrain?

it makes me feel warm inside.

This one ? (I have hundreds). Just take a look at my polished balls.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9831/cleyy2.jpg

I've got a fairly photographic memory, I thought I'd better explain.

I could have sworn you would have used the term "eidetic".

Anyway, I couldn't have expressed the demise of my identical other half. Indeed, I posted a photo of us at 8 years old. He did not snuff it. I guess my death-hex cancelled out his death-hex, and neither of us bought the big one.

Ipsofacto, he now has 3 kids, as I have 3 kids, and though in different countries, the kids are all within a year of each other's births (each of his kids versus each of my kids). Like a goddam lab experiment we are.

Presumably you have a list of the kids somewhere handy?