Knee Pain

SearchID links don't work. These two look useful. I ignored them both until I started getting a dull ache in my knee whilst cycling very recently. I think I may have overdone it slightly, probably need to rest.

http://www.lfgss.com/thread45993-3.html

http://www.lfgss.com/thread18274.html

I'm thinking of doing an evening seminar on Knee Pain in Cyclists, maybe somewhere like LMNH. Think there is a need to provide some professional education and advice and answer some questions.

Any thoughts?

I'm thinking of doing an evening seminar on Knee Pain in Cyclists, maybe somewhere like LMNH. Think there is a need to provide some professional education and advice and answer some questions.

Any thoughts?

Brilliant idea... can we have a microphone available so everyone can hear my knees creaking....

Good idea, I'd be interested in coming along.

I'm waiting to hear back from LMNH.

My knees hurt. Started at the en of the Dynamo, and last Saturday ride didn't make it better.
Pretty sure that the left leg has to do with cleat positions. What is the best place to get that assessed?
Cycle fitting or Physio?

I never used to get knee pain, and I was running a heavy, heavy old bike at 108GI. Then I bought a not-light Charge running at 69GI, still no knee pain. I flipped the rear wheel so I could be one of those trendy fixie skidder types about 4 months ago - suddenly, knee pain for the first time.

Tim's Totally Unscientific* Opinion:
My knees** don't seem to like the rapid cycling during descents that I used to avoid by running single-speed.

*This is based purely upon coincidence.

**I am only suggesting this applies to my own knees, not everyone else's.

Yes please to a proper lecture on the matter. A great excuse to visit LMNH for the first time too.

My knees hurt. Started at the en of the Dynamo, and last Saturday ride didn't make it better.
Pretty sure that the left leg has to do with cleat positions. What is the best place to get that assessed?
Cycle fitting or Physio?

Physio. But do some yoga, too. Helps the whole body, and by extension the knees.

Just got back from another round of physio. There's apparently some weirdo muscle in my buttocks that's been sitting around doing fuckall, which means my kneecaps tracks a bit wrong.

More exercise, more stretching, more roller, more physio

Also saw Michael, Bluerip, today. Very very good, checked over my knee and bent it in all sorts of directions. Feels like I'm in good hands, plenty recommended

are you having your cleats shimmed/footbeds?

Not yet, but going to bikewhisperer in a week to get them fitted so will find out then

Michael said my left leg is 1.5cm shorter than the right so he asked me to mention it to Scherrit

since riding the Geekhouse with an internal hub- no change to crank length or saddle height, I appear to have wrecked my knee, c/o a serious pain in the instep of my right foot.
What should i change?
Cleat position is the same as ever also, and float is locked to the same amount (old Time ATACS)...
On my other bikes, its not noticeable at all, and feels comfy.
But as of right now- I can't ride without being in agony- its a sharp stabbing pain, continuous through the power phase of the pedal stroke, and is sub-patellar on the left hand side of the patella.

any clues?
It was so painful on the bridges ride yesterday, that I had to ride home at battersea- and did almost all of this one legged- leading to me and a cabbie nearly getting in a fight (cunt).

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What should i change?

the notion that spending £45 on a physio appointment is not worth it when you can be diagnosed and treated by advice from a forum where 75% of it's members are riding badly fitting bikes.

I have a physio, and a chiropractor, and a litany of appointments with orthopaedic surgeons who have examined either my shoulder, or my knee since I was 16 and completely destroyed both in one season of rugby

this is a question about cycling changes to alleviate it- whether the clipping in- which I always do with my right foot- or another factor can be changed on my bike to make it better.

Incidentally- I would ask the chiropractor I visit, since he works for Garmin Transitions as well, but as it happens- its a bank holiday tomorrow, and I fly out to California on Tuesday.

I am obsessed with biomechanics, and have in the past spent many a night working out the exact tracking of my knee through the motion in cycling (with the aid of rollers and a mirror) to try and optimise and remove the knee problem I knew I had. This is of course forgetting that in the future- I hope to be a Orthopaedic specialist, and currently in front of me I have pulled up a text that the chiropractor mentioned above suggested I read prior to starting university (its a simple anatomy textbook).

so are you going to physio to get your knee sorted then?
because how is a fixie forum going to sort the problem out?

incidentally, right now I'm stumped. because I cannot work out why it hurts.

and nope. I can't- I will when I get to Nottingham (where I move after coming back from California), but will have to go through the- go to GP, get referral, go to Physio as last time, and realistically i'd like to do some riding between now and then.

We have two physios that I know of on this forum.
maybe I should have just PM'ed them, but also with a membership of 15,000+ someone else will undoubtedly have had the same sypmtoms and maybe treatment- not a bad place to start now, is it?

also i don't know it all. which is why i wouldn't try to diagnose your problem when a health professional is likely to see the cause and suggest treatment after seeing you in person.
i can't see how anyone on here (unless qualified) is going to offer a better assessment.
agreed there is no harm in asking but do you really think you are going to get a better answer than that from Garmins chiropractor?

Henry

A Cyclefit may adjust cleat position, saddle position wrt to bottom bracket, saddle position, crank length, pedal spindle length etc

This is quite a precise art. I am w Gary on this that an Internet diagnosis may not be best.

It could be overuse, it may need RICE and then Physio to strengthen a weak muscle.

Too many variables to address here.

also i don't know it all. which is why i wouldn't try to diagnose your problem when a health professional is likely to see the cause and suggest treatment after seeing you in person.
i can't see how anyone on here (unless qualified) is going to offer a better assessment.
agreed there is no harm in asking but do you really think you are going to get a better answer than that from Garmins chiropractor?

nope, just one that is usable in the interim.
apologies for calling you names.
btw.

Cyclefit or go and see scherrit.

Had bad knees problem, he fitted a weird looking wedge in one of my shoes, problem gone.

Too simple I know, but go with James advice, I insist you.

uh huh, seeing scherritt would be great, but as said- I have no time.
I leave for 10days and then have 5 in london before moving and a massive change- I'm busy.
As it stands, I've booked myself to see the chiropractor (http://www.slipstreamsports.com/garmin-slipstream-staff/matt-rabin-msc-dc) when i get back, but I was hoping to get some riding in in Sunny CA, because its perfect temperature and weather there (and the place I'm staying in has a bike ready to use)
I guess its best to RICE it for a bit though.

I have a physio, and a chiropractor, and a litany of appointments with orthopaedic surgeons who have examined either my shoulder, or my knee since I was 16 and completely destroyed both in one season of rugby

this is a question about cycling changes to alleviate it- whether the clipping in- which I always do with my right foot- or another factor can be changed on my bike to make it better.

well you have previous 'injuries' that possibly give you specific limitations of movement and flexibility that will possibly have an impact on how your current condition will be treated. surely these factors are best assessed by somebody familiar with your physiology.

Incidentally- I would ask the chiropractor I visit, since he works for Garmin Transitions as well, but as it happens- its a bank holiday tomorrow, and I fly out to California on Tuesday.

if your flight was on wednesday you could probably get a short notice appointment with a good physio

Finally, though you enjoy a feeling of know-it-allism on this forum, usually delving out tedious snide remarks, you often forget a few simple fixes can go a fair way.

yes often it's something very simple. in my case a 5º shim and a footbed in each shoe, doesn't mean it will work for you though.
this forum is full of internet bullshit theory™, people read something somewhere on the internet and rehash it as if it's gospel and it's their own experience. i would rather suggest where to find the answer than offer unsubstantiated half truths.

I am obsessed with biomechanics, and have in the past spent many a night working out the exact tracking of my knee through the motion in cycling (with the aid of rollers and a mirror) to try and optimise and remove the knee problem I knew I had. This is of course forgetting that in the future- I hope to be a Orthopaedic specialist, and currently in front of me I have pulled up a text that the chiropractor mentioned above suggested I read prior to starting university (its a simple anatomy textbook).

a video camera is better than a mirror, you can then see from behind if your pelvis is straight or your heels move in circles. (although if you do it's still down to a physio to tell you why and if treatment is needed)

thanks dickhead.

no problem HTH.

that's the forum i remember from 2007.
thanks.

Call him H, worth trying don't you think?

Had I known about your knee problem, I would have gave you my slot today.