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Would any of those whom you mention have won the championship without the assistance of their team-mate?

Schumacher wouldn't have, neither would Alonso, nor I suspect would Vettel.

Anyway, who cares, hopefully it'll come down to Vettel and Raikonen tied on the same points in the final race, and Webber can ram Vettel in the final corner because "I made a mistake, that for sure will keep me from sleeping easy tonight"

Would any of those whom you mention have won the championship without the assistance of their team-mate?

Schumacher wouldn't have, neither would Alonso, nor I suspect would Vettel.

Well, Hamilton might have won one more without Alonso's "assistance" :-)

Anyway, who cares, hopefully it'll come down to Vettel and Raikonen tied on the same points in the final race, and Webber can ram Vettel in the final corner because "I made a mistake, that for sure will keep me from sleeping easy tonight"

This.

Webber's revenge, as I assume he'd be retiring at the end of the season.

I'm disappointed but not surprised by Vettel ignoring team orders - there's no love lost between him and Webber. What pisses me off is Vettel failing to MTFU and admit that he knew what he was doing, and did it anyway. His claim that he didn't do it 'deliberately' is an insult to everyone's intelligence and is a load of bollocks, as is his half-arsed attempt at contrition.

This is what happened the last time he was dicking around:

Vettel Webber crash 2010!!! - YouTube

You can understand why the team are pretty pissed off with him. As far back as I can remember most teams have had the agreement that the drivers race to the last pitstop, then hold position. This is not "team orders" per se, it's common sense. The team generally don't give a shit which way their 1-2, or 3-4 for that matter is. They want both cars home in the points. The constructor's championship is what earns the teams money, the driver's championship is just a nice little bonus. It's perfectly acceptable for the team to tell them to hold position to conserve engine/gearbox life, fuel, or as was most likely in this case, the tyres. Vettel was a spoiled brat and has no doubt lost some trust for his team, even if Helmut Marko still treats him like his precious little kid. Now the rest of the world can see past his sense of humour and personality off track and see what a spoiled little brat he is. Granted we did get some great racing out of it which is always great to see. Here is a great video of the two (the one I was chatting to you about earlier Neil)

Mark Webber Funny Press-Conference Silverstone 2010 - YouTube

Also, i'm a big Alonso fan but who thinks he deserves some kind of penalty for continuing to drive a dangerous car?

Nope, if the race director/marshalls believe that to be the case, they'll wave a black/orange flag at the car telling it it needs to come in to be repaired as it's unsafe. The incident was rather silly imo but understandable that they wanted to wait a lap for the slicks to come in to play. It was rather out of character for someone who has been a great contender by always scoring points while others are flying off the track. It reminded me of an incident a few years back with Kimi driving a damaged car and Alonso chasing him down. Kimi gambled for the win and stayed out.

Kimi Raikkonen's Suspension Failure - Nürburgring 2005 - YouTube

oh didnt see we got a thread
vettel is a tosser, despite being like 22 or so he really should know better
well done mark and hamilton

ps. wtf with the india mercedes team?

ps. wtf with the india mercedes team?

Force India Mercedes. Is the Force India Team, using Merc engines.

ps. wtf with the india mercedes team?

They had problems with their nuts...

Also, footage released of Webber "cutting up" Vettel on the finish straight while Vettel is celebrating.

So gridds, by that token, Red Bull F1 is actually Red Bull Renault, and Torro Rosso is Torro Rosso Ferrari? That's an interesting way of looking at it. And what do you call them when they change engine suppliers, like Torro Rosso will do next year?

I've never seen someone define a F1 car by its engine, in equal consideration to its brand...... Except for Ferrari, obviously. I learn something new everyday.

Williams Renault back in the day? I'm sure there's been a Cosworth team also.

Also McLaren Mercedes.

Teams with a contract in place to be the factory team for an engine supplier will often feature the suppliers name in their team name. Client teams (who pay for the engines) such as Red Bull and Torro Rosso will not.

Also GA2G, gridds was pointing out that Force India is called Force India and not Force India Mercedes.

#pedant

Also Bernie "king of the big bribes" Ecclestone has, predictably, waded in to proffer his opinion on the situation at Red Bull actually the most interesting part of that interview is where he reveals that as team principle he once under fueled a driver who he suspected would not follow team orders.

So gridds, by that token, Red Bull F1 is actually Red Bull Renault, and Torro Rosso is Torro Rosso Ferrari? That's an interesting way of looking at it. And what do you call them when they change engine suppliers, like Torro Rosso will do next year?

I've never seen someone define a F1 car by its engine, in equal consideration to its brand...... Except for Ferrari, obviously. I learn something new everyday.

Where have you been? It's always been like that.

Doesn't the F1 standings and such actually list teams in this way:

http://www.formula1.com/results/team/2013/

Force India Mercedes. Is the Force India Team, using Merc engines.

I know, what I meant was what the hell, nuts might be blamed to mechanical reasons, but stacking the drivers? thats just poor organisation.

What a race! GR8 season so far, I give it 9/10.

I know, what I meant was what the hell, nuts might be blamed to mechanical reasons, but stacking the drivers? thats just poor organisation.

True, but they can't of expected Sutil to be stuck in the pits as De Resta was heading in. If the pit stop had gone to plan it wouldn't of been an issue.

I know, what I meant was what the hell, nuts might be blamed to mechanical reasons, but stacking the drivers? thats just poor organisation.

Not really, quite a few teams done it. The second or two that they're usually held there for is a much smaller loss than being out on track on the wrong tyre. Unfortunately when coupled with a bad pit stop it can be quite a pain.

Reminds me of David Coulthard's greatest ever contribution to F1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXZJOs-87wQ

Giving Schumi the two, five and then one fingered salute in a single corner. They guy clearly missed his true callling........... Driving for addison lee