Which Groupset?

No. Well, to some extent it is when you're in a hill climb competition, but 90% of the weight is rider and of the 2-3% which is groupset, the difference between the top groups and the equally functional third tier ones is only about 10%. So, in the most extreme case, getting the lightest groupset gets you about 0.1% performance gain. You can get more than that from cleaning your chain :-)

Or eating less junk food as I am trying to do...

I am become tester

Or eating less junk food as I am trying to do...

I've started eating birds custard after turbo sessions. It's a brilliant recovery drink!

#doingitwrong
#lfgss
#neverbikeradar

I'm currently baking a bike. This is the literal truth.

Tyres, bar tape and saddles.

They will forever be subjective.

I was thinking about this and isn't the best way to choose a groupset to buy the lightest one you can afford?

Reduced weight has an actual performance benefit, cycling is all about power to weight ratio. No?

No.

Considering most races come down to a sprint. I'd put money on the cyclist with a heavy groupset that shifted into the correct gear, without need to reduce pedal pressure, over the one with the flaky 1900g groupset anyday.

TBH its even the same climbing. A few grams saved wont compete with being able to pop inand out of the saddle, adjusting gears accordingly. Again still with the pedals fully weighted.

This is kinda why my mate doesnt like his DA Di2. Its shifts flawlessly under pressure. But his old campag required a quick sweep with both finger shifters to drop to the little ring, while only changing one effective gear.

I guess he could reprogram his lecy group or something.

Most people 'on here' don't actually race though, do they?

Too busy guzzling custard.

Most people 'on here' don't actually race though, do they?

Do you even Strava?

Not many sprints in Strava TBH.

Do you even Pro-mute?

This is kinda why my mate doesnt like his DA Di2. Its shifts flawlessly under pressure. But his old campag required a quick sweep with both finger shifters to drop to the little ring, while only changing one effective gear.

I guess he could reprogram his lecy group or something.

Yarp, you can program it to sweep the block if you keep your finger on the button, and you can choose between very slow/slow/standard/fast/very fast

^^ No. Well, I record things with it, but I'm not interested in podium spots.

I'm no good in sprints, I don't have the right build*.

I do custard though.

*I'm not fit enough :(

Most people 'on here' don't actually race though, do they?

Too busy guzzling custard.

What's that, you've gone from weightweenie to 'fast doesn't matter' in half a bowl of Birds?

If you kick the bastard pedals as quickly as you change your mind you should race.

New XTR: http://www.bikerumor.com/2014/04/11/first-look-all-new-shimano-xtr-m9000-1x-2x-and-3x-11-speed-mtb-groups/

surprised they didn't go electro to one up sram

The price of Campag makes it a tough sell. At each price break Shimano competes or beats Campag on quality and performance but for a shit load less money.

The need for proprietary tools and the cost of a Campag cassette is enough to make me never want to buy

New XTR: http://www.bikerumor.com/2014/04/11/first-look-all-new-shimano-xtr-m9000-1x-2x-and-3x-11-speed-mtb-groups/

Wow...that's quite ugly. Like the way the cassettes fit standard freehubs though. Upgrades ahoy!

^^^ all modern groupsets work

Do I need to post that pic of Boonen stuck in Da Arenberg Massive with his chain on the OUTSIDE of the front derailler cage?

Miles ahead? Really?
It's marketing bullshit. You've all been at the Kool Aid too long.

Track cranks that don't all seem to snap in the first 6 months
No 7.257641mm allen keys required
No stupid thumb shifting
More readily available
Cheaper

Best.

nah - you just feel less guilty about not cleaning it.

That's reason enough to own one.

If you want a cheap groupset. Get 105.
Nothing else comes within a universe for quality for the value for money.

Rocking that on the Kinesis nowadays.

All you MAMILs with DuraAce Di2 would get your arses handed to you by somebody fit with Claris :-)

And somebody fit on Di2 would beat somebody less fit on Di2. I err.. yeah.. fxied gear woo!

Tyres, bar tape and saddles.
They will forever be subjective.
I was thinking about this and isn't the best way to choose a groupset to buy the lightest one you can afford?
Reduced weight has an actual performance benefit, cycling is all about power to weight ratio. No?

No.

Actually it's about kicking the bastard pedals down as hard as you can.

Someone's reading 'Faster'.

No.

Considering most races come down to a sprint. I'd put money on the cyclist with a heavy groupset that shifted into the correct gear, without need to reduce pedal pressure, over the one with the flaky 1900g groupset anyday.

TBH its even the same climbing. A few grams saved wont compete with being able to pop inand out of the saddle, adjusting gears accordingly. Again still with the pedals fully weighted.

It's not even that specific - doesn't need to be a sprint. Drop a chain on a climb with your feeble but light groupset (I'm looking at you SRAM) and you lose the Tour.

I love this thread.

So, which groupset should I buy?