Which Groupset?

Original Sora levers are a disaster, my hands would hurt after an hour of riding

Defintely on the CX if the option exist, that if Shimano use the same levers as the road.

Cant speck for proper CX riding. But on an XC bike, having a heavy hub gear directly above your rear contact patch, would be a bonus. Providing the total weight wasnt much more than say a triple XT gruppo.

hubs itself weight 1590g, the whole package including shifter and cable bump it up to under 2000g, this is the old mechanical version with rapidfire shifter mind.

Athena EPS is on it's way to retail in the next few weeks....

If campagnolo don't sort their shit out and produce some lower cost leccy groups then I'll be moving to shimano when the time does eventually come.

£?

If price is similar to Ultegra Di2, then I'd defintely jump to that.

Will be interesting to see the price of the athena .

i think I'm hanging on to my 10spd record and chorus setups for as long as I can... Hopefully there'll be some cheaper alternatives on the market by the time they're shagged

Campy usually tries pretty hard to be more expensive than shimano so im guessing this will be true for the Athena / Ultegra comparisson aswell.

^^That'll be over a decade from now. A loaf of non-artisan bread will cost £7.49 by then.

2,239.63 RRP according to Parker (Who are advertising it at 9% less than that.

I'm sticking with mechanical. I like cables. I don't like batteries.

Batteries are less faff than cables though, somewhat surprisingly.

Campagnolo Record EPS Mini Group? £1470 ..

http://www.totalcycling.com/a-z/groupsets/groupsets_road_electronic/GR_RECORD_EPS.html

2,239.63 RRP according to Parker (Who are advertising it at 9% less than that.

So 200% of the cost of Ultegra.

I think the 11 speed Alfine Di2 is really interesting- 1X11 setup with a belt drive- you have a bike that basically never, ever requires maintenance.

That's something I'd never even thought of. As soon as you step away from the bathroom scales you can come up with some good ideas! How heavy is it though? No, really, how heavy?

Actually, no Powertap option so I'd have to use SRMs = one motherlickin' expensive commuter/winter bike.

I still think it'd be worth it- and the Power2max is looking like a real contender again now it's on release 2, and that's much, much cheaper than an SRM.

£755 for crank and meter, you need standard Hollowtech BB and a ring

Compared to £2,000+ for an SRM that's a serious bargain.

True. Anyone done proper testing of the new version of P2Max? They cater for temp now but it could still be crapola. How well sealed they are for shit weather would be a primary consideration too.

There have been no "Shiese! Is water full of!" type posts on Wattage, and a lot of the Scandi guys run them.

It was just the temp drift issue which is, in theory, now fixed.

The big plus is that they'll update the old ones- always a good sign that the solution is not "buy the new one", which goes a long way to reassure you that they'll look after you.

I'd take a punt on one now- which I wouldn't have done before they announced the update.

^^That'll be over a decade from now. A loaf of non-artisan bread will cost £7.49 by then.

Plenty of time to get my sourdough ferment right then :)

I'm hoping that both setups will last for a while, as I'm also hoping to reduce my bike deficit over the next year

That Alfine lever looks nice.

But I want a hydraulic disc brake capable one!

I would then take the SpotBrand, and convert it to a electric hub geared, belt driven, monster cross bike with dirt drops, and a 3" surly krampus front tyre.

Hmmmmmm.

I'd only need hub, levers, and tyre to do that amazing build too.

Part of me (my wallet) is releived the levers dont exist.

But are there any brake only hydraulic drop bar levers on the way? I'd be all over them.

Are there any changes between 2012 and 2013 Super Record? I have found some info on chainring combos in between a double and compact which is of little interest. As far as i can tell there is nothing in the pipeline on the mechanical front?

Also does anyone on here have the 11 speed campag chain tool i could borrow?

Have been going for progressively longer rides with my 105 c-dale. Does anyone else have experience of 105 being incredibly slow to shift/get into gear? Breaking being sporadic (nothing, nothing, ALL THE POWER) and generally it being just a bit rubbish compared to SRAM rival/campag centaur (the other two groupsets i've ridden.) Despite the gears being correctly indexed by the LBS, after a reasonable shortish ride (70 miles) in average conditions, they are normally terrible and consistently mis-shift.

Anyone else have this?

Could be the cable & housing need looking at.