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• #1227
Could be the cable & housing need looking at.
This. In my experience cabling and indexing the gears myself has given much better results than a shop, or Wiggle's initial setup (not that it was bad, just not as good as it could have been). 105 should shift perfectly well.
Ditto the brakes, the standard pads are fine. Make sure they're toed-in correctly.
Main thing with cables is making sure the outers are cut as cleanly as possible (file down any protruding bits, or do it with a Dremel), and rounded out to avoid friction, and tape the part of the cable run under the bartape firmly to the bars.
What model of 105 is it? The current one, 5700?
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• #1228
^ what he said, I have 105 on my cannondale caad, defiantly reliable and I have swapped the original brake pads with swisstop greens the day I got the bike. Brakes absolutely fine. I had Ultegra 6700 prior to this which seemed better (smooth gear shift/braking etc) but the main reason for that would be gore tex sealed cables.
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• #1229
Also make sure the cable length is idea, it could be a tad too short or long.
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• #1230
^ what he said, I have 105 on my cannondale caad, defiantly reliable and I have swapped the original brake pads with swisstop greens the day I got the bike. Brakes absolutely fine. I had Ultegra 6700 prior to this which seemed better (smooth gear shift/braking etc) but the main reason for that would be gore tex sealed cables.
Or the fact that Ultegra is just better than 105?! Ultegra is effectively 95% of the performance/weight of Dura Ace, at 60% of the price
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• #1231
Also make sure the cable length is idea, it could be a tad too short or long.
I dunno about this, Ed, short maybe - but having your cables a bit long shouldn't be a problem as long as there are no twists etc. I'm running the cables on my Canyon long until I decide on what stem length I want, doesn't seem to have impacted on performance.
Oh and +1 to what Regal said re: indexing stuff yourself. I think that most of the time, mechanics just index stuff quickly and are happy with "yeah, that works".
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• #1232
One thing to add is that it may work in the stand- but that is no guarantee that it'll work on the road.
I dropped my bike off for some work, front mech was readjusted, worked fine in the stand/pootling down the street.
Halfway up Box Hill and would it shift? Would it buggery- under load, no-go.
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• #1233
this is true, but also works the other way around - my Sunday bike shifts into the big ring like crap in the stand (super sloppy), but feels effortless on the road and never misses a shift.
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• #1234
Or the fact that Ultegra is just better than 105?! Ultegra is effectively 95% of the performance/weight of Dura Ace, at 60% of the price
fwiw I like my 6700.
Although I've got 105 brakes and dispite some tweeking they're still not great. Going to switch the pads out and see if that makes a difference.
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• #1235
...work in the stand- but that is no guarantee that it'll work on the road.
..also works the other way around
Do you know why this is? flex in the frame under load?
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• #1236
magnets
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• #1237
better make sure I get the good uns then
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• #1238
ceramic ones
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• #1239
Mainly because the habitats of the bicycles is suitable in it's own environment that by removing the key elements (such as temperature, wind, humidity), it relaxed more in the stand than other.
Of course some other bicycles are not used to such stand, such as the Surly Pugsley whom quite happily sat in -6 somewhere in Alaska outside a Norwegian coffee hut.
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• #1240
Lol
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• #1241
It is the new 5700 stuff and the cables are under the traditional 200 mile re-indexing stage. I guess i'll just take it back and have another go at indexing it.
To be fair, conditions have been fairly grim and the supersix has it's gear cables external under the downtube, so I guess that's not helping. The wheels are fairly average (RS-20s), but not terrible. I've got a DA groupset to switch onto it once the weather is less bad and some Rotor cranks, but I was just wondering if this was a common experience with new 105...
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• #1242
Let me know if you want to get rid of any of that 105 stuffwwhat'sen the DA goes on.
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• #1243
External cables shouldn't matter.
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• #1244
Campagnolo 80th anniversary Super Record groupset - £2,599
http://road.cc/content/news/76868-campagnolo-80th-anniversary-super-record-groupset-released
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• #1245
Anyone seen the new Groupset replacing 2300 called Claris.
Actually looks decent for the money;
http://road.cc/content/news/77271-shimano-unveil-new-claris-groupset
Only bit I don't like is the cover on the BB on the cranks.
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• #1246
Hello.
I'm saving up for a geared Condor... possibly the Squadra and i'm rather clueless in regards to the benefits of particular groupsets. All I hear is cock rubbing, Super Record / Dura Ace chatter, but are they really worth the disparity in price between Ultegra / Centaur Carbon for instance? Also, is SRAM Red highly regarded?I'd be interested in knowing your preferences and fyi I commute most days and enjoy longer rides at the weekend, but am in no way a competitive cyclist - just want value for money, a nice gearie™ and good kit.
Advice and opinions greatly appreciated. Cheers
Condor Options (with Squadra frame):
Shimano**
Tiagra** £1200
105 £1400
Ultegra £1650
Dura Ace £2650Campagnolo**
Veloce** £1350
Centaur Alloy £1450
Centaur Carbon £1750
**Chorus **£2150
Record £2550
Super Record £2900SRAM**
Rival** £1400
Red £2650Campy record 10 UT is a great group. I prefer it to a later super record 11 i also have. The only thing better with SR is the shape of the hoods and thats going to depend alot on how big hands you have and specific preferences.
Buy it used (hardly any left nos anyways) and you will have the best performance for the value imo.
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• #1247
I agree. I have 10 spd record on one bike, and chorus on another - both shift and brake perfectly (had some initial problems with the Record as the previous owner had maintained it poorly, but after servicing the levers it has been great for the last 3 years). I much prefer the shape of the older hoods too.
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• #1248
They look better than the 2013 Sora even.
Bet it'll feel even flimsier in comparison.
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• #1249
On my winter bike, I'm currently running:
Campag Veloce 9spd ergos
Shimano deep drop calipers
Shimano Tiagra BB & 165mm chainset (Hollowtech)
(3rd party 47t outer ring)
Campag Centaur carbon front mech '10spd'
Campag Centaur alu rear mech long cage '9spd'
Shimano 9spd Tiagra cassette on Ultegra hub (outdoors)
Miche 9spd cassette on Veloce hub (turbo wheel)The old ergos are a bit knackered at the small end of the cassette (click has gone), but otherwise all functions perfectly. It's like an interracial gruppo orgy, but a sort of low rent one, probably involving a cheap hatchback and a lay-by.
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• #1250
Perfect for Epping forest at night.
AFAIK 105 is incredibly reliable. I don't think i've ever heard of anyone complaining about the above.
Could be the gear cables have stretched from initial use. Re-index them.
As for the brakes - sounds like you need to get rid of your stock brake pads (use SwissStop greens or KoolStop salmons), and probably have a look at your cabling. Also bear in mind that braking is dependent on surface too; often cheap wheels/rims have shit braking surfaces.