For Sale: My nagasawa

bit abstract…

Fiddy, your Nag is so much nicer than that. Cos its not pink. And It's pristine.

• SOME - Fiddys Nag is a MINT!
  

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plus this

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equals this

I've had my NJS phase, but still dream of owning a level, or a San Rensho
ahhh japan, what is going to happen when I visit you in 3 days.

Hmmmm this^ is all a bit HOTSTUFFMENSMAG!! territory people...

The only problem with Japanese girls is they've got really pixelated bits.

Precluded by rule from seeking technical advantage from exotic materials or unusual designs, elite racers redirect their focus upon framebuilders with the requisite skills to render frames of uncompromised accuracy and precise handling. Within this exacting arena, the prestige of one name stands above others: Nagasawa

What this means is where the Italians are free to use exotic materials and unusual designs the Japanese are not.

cars are quite complex. we are dealing with two triangles of steel tubing welded together.

well, then who cares who the hell made it?

The only problem with Japanese girls is they've got really pixelated bits.

which go sideways

NivacromThis is the most famous of Columbus' patented steels, specifically designed to make tubes for bicycle frames. It has the advantage over other steels of combining extremely high mechanical characteristics with great tenacity in the welding area. Alloy elements, vanadium and niobium, precipitate in the metal matrix blocking any grain growth and the resulting decline in mechanical characteristics, even at temperatures exceeding 1000C. It should be noted that, following the introduction of Nivacrom, the automobile industry began to use similar steels for producing bearing and reinforcement structures. Nivacrom though has been developed for top of the range competitive bicycle frame use.

Italian use Columbis Nivacom & Thermacom
are these materials approved by NJS?

My Vivalo had Columbus Genius steel

"my cats breath smells of cat food"

My Vivalo had Columbus Genius steel

Well that would tend to disprove the theory that they use japanese steel

they use FiveFleeRone

from Leynolds

Most of the frames are built using Kasai or tange tubing, both Japanese.

The bikes are tested to destruction every damn day @ 50 velodromes all over Japan.

If you build in one material day in and day out for 40 years, I think you will know as much as there is to know about that material and how it reacts to the riders you have been building for over the same amount of time...

Well that would tend to disprove the theory that they use japanese steel

It was a one off, Ltd Hipster Edition

The bikes are tested to destruction every damn day @ 50 velodromes all over Japan.

and the destruction's not limited to velodromes. that's why you see so many broken NJS frames in the UK and USA.

funny how this started out as a for sale thread! hope you sold it OK

I don't doubt that the Japanese build good frames. Want I want to know is why you think them better than Italian frames? Is it because Tange is better than Colombus or Dedacciai or is it because the Japanese are more skillful than the Italians? both Colnago and Tommasini have retained there in house frame makers.

it's bollocks, of course they are not any better FFS

Technical ability is what I appreciate. I think Shimano is better than Campy too...

I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion.

I think Shimano is better than Campy too...

so do I

mainly because of their excellent and accessable technical data.

Italian stuff always has a hint of the "don't give a fuck" about it. I had an Alfa once, many years ago when you could still drive cars as a reasonable mode of transport, and it was like it'd been put together by some people who only had one eye on the job, the other eye presumably ogling a young person's bottom, or some ice cream.

I blame El Duce

Please feel free to correct me . . .

But if you build very specific bikes out of very specific materials, all governed by somewhat bizarre and strict guidelines, then you will no doubt after many years have mastered the art of building Kerin bikes down to a T, but as the same time probably not taken much note of advance in frame construction/material advances etc etc that goes on outside your bubble - i have no doubt that Nags are at the very top of the tree for hammering round a japenese track doing a good imitation of Rollerball, but wouldnt a humble BJ vigorelli be a much better daily ride?

All this is moot, because if Nags and NJS are your thing then nothing is going to stop you buying one, but i cant see how they are anyhting other than the best built Kerin frames, and that many other builders build equally as good frames?

Hourses for courses . . .

I had a Peugeot 205 GTi once. It may as well have been made of bog rolls and magic.

Loved the fucker though. mourns