For Sale: My nagasawa

Whatever they are made of they are fine examples of the bicycle at its best . . they are not my cup of tea, but i still find myself drooling over them and admiring the craftmanship when i see one

Who puts a vicars saddle on a keirin ssssh some people shouldn't be allowed keirin bikes

you are wrong.

Why ? In a blind test would you notice the difference ? Me thinks not.

Show me someone who rides blind...except on the back of a tandem @ the olympics.

Bob jackson is not very personal any more... they have become a factory just knocking out bikes. If you wanted them to build you the same geometry as a Nagasawa, they would have to stop the production line and ask if anyone remembers how to take there time when building a frame... maybe. BJ's are good horses for the courses. I just don't like the geometry & look of them. They are like a toned down mercian! They give you all these colour options to pull you in to the "Bob Jackson experience" which has a rich history in english frame building blah, blah and blah... Nagasawa's only come in Red silver or white any other colour is/was a special order.

Also a Woodrup and a BJ are the same.... just different stickers. FYI

:)

I think the raleigh lizard pisses over all these frame manufacturers. I traded my vivalo for one today from an illegal immigrant. It's all about early 90s nottingham. Long live the lizard.

I have just been looking at the Kalavinka site http://www.kalavinka-bikes.com/index_j.htm

Double plated fork I am not sure where you would get one of those in England

There does seem to be a tendency for British builders to work to templates in order to keep the cost down.
My experience at Mercian was that built an excellent custom bike that rode like a track bike in traffic and a road bike on the open road.
Sure it was a compromise but it was a bloody good one.
However the fork clearance was not right and I have a feeling that they didn’t quite ‘get’ what I was asking for.
For 2009 I am going to go through the same process with Tommasini
Let’s see if their Sentisi Fixed can be made to reflect my personal taste and riding style?

I must say that Kalavinka offer an impressive range of options.
However once you have the full chrome under paint, shot in stays, fancy paint job and shipping to Europe
– cost wise there ain’t much in it -

Pale blue metallic flake & white Kalavinka decals,
‘Columbus Spirit Keirin’ tubing,
internal fastback stays,
chrome under paint,
chrome drop outs and no drillings
fitted up with NJS Campagnolo Record

my new bike in 2010 ?

@Andypancake - Given the same tubing and the same geometry (and yes, Bob's do custom builds) would you be confident you'd be able to tell the difference between a BJ, Colnago and a Nag purely in the way the bike rides ? and if so what would be the differences ?

Pale blue metallic flake & white Kalavinka decals,
‘Columbus Spirit Keirin’ tubing,
internal fastback stays,
chrome under paint,
chrome drop outs and no drillings
fitted up with NJS Campagnolo Record

my new bike in 2010 ?

I like the way the paint job is the first thing in your list :)

NJS Campagnolo Record - amazing stuff, but it doesn't seem to come around very often; do you have a special source?

he's wishing illy

IMO, part of the reason you see broken NJS frames is that they come without brake holes and people who don't know how to ride them brakeless tend to crash them.

Bob jackson is not very personal any more... they have become a factory just knocking out bikes. If you wanted them to build you the same geometry as a Nagasawa, they would have to stop the production line and ask if anyone remembers how to take there time when building a frame... maybe. BJ's are good horses for the courses. I just don't like the geometry & look of them. They are like a toned down mercian! They give you all these colour options to pull you in to the "Bob Jackson experience" which has a rich history in english frame building blah, blah and blah... Nagasawa's only come in Red silver or white any other colour is/was a special order.

Also a Woodrup and a BJ are the same.... just different stickers. FYI

:)

I have to agree with youthere - i think that Bob Jacksons are overrated in comparison with many other options out there, for the same reasons you have outlined

There is NJS campagnolo on ebay right now

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/items/_W0QQ_dmptZUKQ5fsportsleisureQ5fcyclingQ5fbikepartsQ5fSR?_nkw=campagnolo%20headset%20pista&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_odkw=campagnolo%20c-record&_osacat=0&_trksid=m194&from=R9&ssPageName=STRK:MEFSRCH:SRCH

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Campagnolo-C-Record-Sheriff-Star-NOS-track-NJS-keirin_W0QQitemZ150295507045QQihZ005QQcategoryZ58089QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

If you like good paint Mercian do exceptional paint

the one I just sold had a gorgeous paint job

I certainly don't think Bob Jacksons are bad they managed to do the wrap around stays on Velocity Boy's bike without too much trouble!

@ The Smiling Buddha - do you think it's worth a trip down to Italy to get a Tommasini? I mean, I wouldn't need much of an incentive to go there anyway, but I've been wondering lately how much a frameset would cost me if I went straight to the builders (in Grossetto), rather than via the dealer in the UK - any thoughts?

@ The Smiling Buddha - do you think it's worth a trip down to Italy to get a Tommasini? I mean, I wouldn't need much of an incentive to go there anyway, but I've been wondering lately how much a frameset would cost me if I went straight to the builders (in Grossetto), rather than via the dealer in the UK - any thoughts?

you were too slow. the pound has lost a lot of value against the euro and your frame is now 1/3 more expensive. (if you are paid in £'s) than it was a few months ago.

There is NJS campagnolo on ebay right now

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/items/_W0QQ_dmptZUKQ5fsportsleisureQ5fcyclingQ5fbikepartsQ5fSR?_nkw=campagnolo%20headset%20pista&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_odkw=campagnolo%20c-record&_osacat=0&_trksid=m194&from=R9&ssPageName=STRK:MEFSRCH:SRCH

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Campagnolo-C-Record-Sheriff-Star-NOS-track-NJS-keirin_W0QQitemZ150295507045QQihZ005QQcategoryZ58089QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

Exactly, I hope he has a deep pocket book!

you were too slow. the pound has lost a lot of value against the euro and your frame is now 1/3 more expensive. (if you are paid in £'s) than it was a few months ago.

Tell me about it... but to be honest whether the frame is 600 or 800 doesn't really make much difference to me lately as I don't have any money. By the time I've saved up they'll still be 800 more than I've got.

@ The Smiling Buddha - do you think it's worth a trip down to Italy to get a Tommasini? I mean, I wouldn't need much of an incentive to go there anyway, but I've been wondering lately how much a frameset would cost me if I went straight to the builders (in Grossetto), rather than via the dealer in the UK - any thoughts?

If you are resident in a country that has an official dealer Tommasini won't sell to you directly. I know because I tried. However you can certainly buy from the UK dealer and pick the frame up in Italy. Tommasini want to protect their brand and look after their dealerships you can't really blame them for that. I am still negotiating with them about paint and geometry the UK dealer is really helpful however I am not expecting this to come cheap! What sweetens the blow is that the UK dealer will allow me to pay in euros...:)

If you are resident in a country that has an official dealer Tommasini won't sell to you directly. I know because I tried. However you can certainly buy from the UK dealer and pick the frame up in Italy. Tommasini want to protect their brand and look after their dealerships you can't really blame them for that. I am still negotiating with them about paint and geometry the UK dealer is really helpful however I am not expecting this to come cheap! What sweetens the blow is that the UK dealer will allow me to pay in euros...:)

Nice one that's very useful to know, saves me farting about trying to contact him. Like I say, can't afford one at the moment, but if I can save £60 a month for a year, I'll get on to the dealership. Sounds like a fair scheme to me really, probably saves him having to put up with English bike nerds speaking bad Italian to him too...

Exactly, I hope he has a deep pocket book!

Are you an American? I love the way American speak in old English I mean the rest of us have card holders but the Americans god bless them still have there eighteenth century 'pocket books'

illy, is as english as you can get

Nice one that's very useful to know, saves me farting about trying to contact him. Like I say, can't afford one at the moment, but if I can save £60 a month for a year, I'll get on to the dealership. Sounds like a fair scheme to me really, probably saves him having to put up with English bike nerds speaking bad Italian to him too...

Richard - the technical term is "Channel Conflict". Tommasini benefit from having dealerships because dealers help customers choose the right bikes, and the right sized bikes. This is important for items that cost several thousands of pounds. It wouldn't be very fair then for Tommasini to undercut their dealers with lower Internet prices. A thousand pounds seems like a lot of money for a bicycle frame but to put that into perspective that is the cost of a set of tyres for a half decent motor. Good luck saving that is how I buy mine!

In English its deep pockets, no? where is bloody Platini when you need him !

what about a simoncini? one of those firms that's been building for years but a bit off the radar. they do carbon back ends Ti geared and track bikes in deda and columbus
http://www.cyclesclements.co.uk/simoncini.php
http://www.simoncinitelaibiciclette.com/menu.html