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  • On the other hand, there are probably a lot of people out there who would think that having ~£10k of spare money to invest means you've got plenty of money, and should therefore be paying tax on any of those earnings, rather than dodging it.
    I see the moral argument but a consultant working an £800/day contract while drawing minimum wage on paper is quite different to someone dumping money into an ISA. It's telling that various outfits offer "IR35 investigation insurance" now. An ISA requires no manipulation.

  • or 'deconstructed' over the last 40 years

    Yu said the D word. I've never moved past structuralism. Right, I'm off.

  • I'm so glad I didn't go for that Erasmus grant and stay at uni. I'd end up in the same way. At least a language barrier made me incoherent and down with the street. I'm maybe a snob, but nobody can call me intellectual, which is apparently desirable in the UK.

    I fail to understand why being an intellectual is a bad thing.

    I need to turn the internetz off for a while methinks.

  • Most likely been posted here already, but saw this taken during the Vancouver riots.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/inkbase/4355000397/

  • We'll be the judge of that.

    decided yet?

  • I see the moral argument but a consultant working an £800/day contract while drawing minimum wage on paper is quite different to someone dumping money into an ISA. It's telling that various outfits offer "IR35 investigation insurance" now. An ISA requires no manipulation.

    Yep. But that's a moral choice. How do you then enshrine that in law, and how many people would make a different choice if they were able to do the same? Not many imo.

    Altho I do think that the provision of tax products to the well off rather than just the very wealthy is interesting, and among other things is why HMRCs (and the Govt) are now making more of a big deal about tax avoidance.

  • I fail to understand why being an intellectual is a bad thing.

    I need to turn the internetz off for a while methinks.

    I came from a place where you'd aspire to be middle class and to be intellectual.
    University degree was an ultimate goal - and not less than a master degree.

    Now, since I've been to the UK almost on a daily basis I hear that I ask too many questions ("Who cares if that language is Indo-Aryan or Dravidian?" I hear for example) and that university means nothing if it's not followed by the money (executive position etc). I have no other skill other than 5 years of reading theory of culture and film. People just call everyone with bit of sense posh twat and take the piss. They also assume that I'm a soft target.

  • black & white.

    Ricist.

  • FYI - I can't help but notice that you're veering towards the dreaded shores of "intellectual snob." A small course correction on the tiller may be in order. Your arguments have been better than that to date.

    Fair point, but cheap sophistry is a bit of an annoyance.

    Here's an example (there are probably many) of why the post is misleading.

    In one case you have two groups of people who disagree. They are discussing they disagreements amongst each themselves. They are trying to convince each other of their opinions. It may get hyperbolic at times, but that goes as far as calling each other "batshit crazy" or "idiot." Ultimately, however, it is an intellectual exchange and an attempt to engage in and address each other's differences.

    In the other case you also have two groups of people. However, one group of people are independently calling for the police force/army and vigilantes (at times) to go out and physically harm the other group. Ultimately, it is a knee-jerk reaction to an event which excludes intellectual exchange and does not attempt to engage in the other's differences.

    They are not the same thing.

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  • I came from a place where you'd aspire to be middle class and to be intellectual.
    University degree was an ultimate goal - and not less than a master degree.

    Now, since I've been to the UK almost on a daily basis I hear that I ask too many questions ("Who cares if that language is Indo-Aryan or Dravidian?" I hear for example) and that university means nothing if it's not followed by the money (executive position etc). I have no other skill other than 5 years of reading theory of culture and film. People just call everyone with bit of sense posh twat and take the piss. They also assume that I'm a soft target.

    This attitude in British culture really pisses me off, you should be proud of your education/intellect, all this bad boy shit that if you can read you're obviously out of touch with the "street" makes my blood boil

  • Again: there is no reason to ask "what makes these people think this way?" because those people are part of the dialogue. I.e., those questions are being asked while one discussed the issues with them.

    Basically, I think it was a leading and misleading post and probably disingenuous as I'm sure he knew that before he posted it.

  • Off to drink beer and eat pizza.

    PEACE OUT!

  • ^ fucking intellectual snob.

  • Me too. Off to have some Côtes du Rhône Grenache and feta on a cracker.

  • Looted of course

    #street

  • Come on. Is this a year one logic class? Do you really believe those two things really analogous?

    Honestly? no, not really.As I said, it's just a slighty hypocritical, mildy amusing niggling point that, when you notice it, sticks out like a sore thumb. I really like you horatio and your take on things is way way way more stimulating than most people's, and I am compulsive in my urge to play devil's advocate, but it seems like you're just an reactionary as everyone else. Is anyone posting more on this?

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  • Something big happening south of west norwood.

    About 10 police vans including several of those dark looking black riot van things just thundered through @ 18:40

    Croydon?

  • This attitude in British culture really pisses me off, you should be proud of your education/intellect, all this bad boy shit that if you can read you're obviously out of touch with the "street" makes my blood boil

    When I was a kid, the local kids from the council houses nearby used to pick on us because of the way we spoke, because they knew they could kick our arse and rob us when they wanted... I'm sure the same thing happens to greater or lesser degrees everywhere - "oooh your so posh, aren't you?"

    ...then you develop a complex... then you try and emulate them... and so on.

    I guess if you're borderline (for want of a better phrase) you tip towards the street side, rather than growing up. But I think this middleclass complex and guilt rides all the way up and carries on through life. It then gets translated into the media and across society in general.

    A good eg is the number of people who bang on about being working class or having working class roots, when it's perfectly clear they are just as much part of the middle class establishment and everyone else in John Lewis.

    The only thing I wonder is where the working class intellectual has gone? My guess would be they got an education, a good job and moved into the middle classes, because they took full advantage of an upwardly mobile society, leaving only those who couldn't get out for whatever reason. Or maybe they were just a socialist myth/minority to start with.

  • hoi polloi barbaroi

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  • Unbelievable we had 5 arrests here in sleepy Cambridge ( 1% unemployment ) WTF.
    It just goes to show this could happen anywhere, I still think shooting the fuckers is the answer.
    cunt. now on ignore.

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