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Who saves your son?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to give this kind of person the good news, however my first priority would be the safety of my family and if that meant letting the arsonist go on his merry way, then so be it. As I've said many times, I believe the tactics employed in this current situation by the Met fell way short of what I would expect in a riot situation.

However, it is slowly becoming apparent why the reaction wasn't as brutal as it could have been. They are expecting to arrest well over 1000 people due to cctv, fingerprints, DNA, twitter, blog photos etc. which will lead to prosecution. They already have close to 800 in custody and courts about to be sitting 24 hours a day to process these people. We're in a different world now, and just because someone isn't apprehended at the time an offence is committed doesn't mean they can't be arrested, and prosecuted based on evidence gained at the time or later through the increased use of technology.

I have no clue how this is related to my point.

Again:

I would happily shoot people setting fire to places where children sleep to stop them.

Would I be happier with the person being caught the following day, with a stern prosecution based on the increased use of technology, caught through his or her own blog or facebook images - while my son is in the mortuary ?

No, not at all.

If I had access to a gun I would use it against attackers in this scenario.

Blah, blah, blah, they are just being idiots, blah, blah, tl;dr

Guilty...

Tax avoidance vs tax evasion.

Everyone will always avoid tax when they can, and if they can't they will bitch about others doing it... until they can.

That's bollocks! It's exactly what my parents said when I mentioned why people were angry with bloody Top Shop.

And not everyone who is rich (or has an above average income, which is probably more useful to talk about seeing as the term rich is bandied around too much) puts money in offshore accounts FFS.

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people are angry with top shop?!

And not everyone who is rich (or has an above average income, which is probably more useful to talk about seeing as the term rich is bandied around too much) puts money in offshore accounts FFS.

My accountant said I couldn't do this... The cunt...

^^their clothes are made from somalian blood diamonds... keep up.

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people are angry with top shop?!

I am. Fuck them and their overpriced tat. I'm going out right now to burn the place down who is with me?

TS; You should have found an accountant with more flexible morals.

My accountant said I couldn't do this... The cunt...

I'll look after your cash.

Sure this will have already been posted but it's funny: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

Two girls describing the fun they had at the riots...

I heard that one yesterday morning, I love this bit:

A: It's the government's fault.

B: Yeah! . . . I dunno ?

A: Conservatives.

B: Yeah whatever who it is I dunno.

Get these two on Newsnight.

^^their clothes are made from somalian blood diamonds... keep up.

I have some hummimg-bird feather epaulettes from Top Shop. Outstanding value.

^^You have debased the voices of the new radicalism to mere letters as representations of their political reach

I have no clue how this is related to my point.

Again:

I would happily shoot people setting fire to places where children sleep to stop them.

Would I be happier with the person being caught the following day, with a stern prosecution based on the increased use of technology, caught through his or her own blog or facebook images - while my son is in the mortuary ?

No, not at all.

If I had access to a gun I would use it against attackers in this scenario.

Much like your example of jumping in front of a train to save something you love, I'd be attempting to save what I loved from the burning building rather than wasting a few potentially life saving seconds drawing a weapon on someone. That was my point.

Actions and reactions as far as crimes go is fine with me, no need to intimidate people though surely? Just warn and then issue a suitable punishment (fines, jail, whatever) as decided by the masses? From the rioting point of view: get enough police on the case and don't budge... detain those who dare to push their luck, excessive force would have been mindless and would've upped the aggression (at that time or at future riots, etc).

As far as respect for the police goes... In my opinion respect doesn't come from experience or humiliation (the opposite rings true for me), respect comes from having care. Perhaps you went down a different path because you cared about what your parents thought, or some other external insight from the careless/no regard for social "norms" mentality?

Essentially instilling social "norms"/laws through aggression/intimidation is never going to work in my opinion, you have to work out why some individuals decided to cut lose from lawful society and go from there.

You respect the police for keeping you safe and having care only if you're a law abiding citizen. Young people who don't care about the law and are just out for trouble need to respect the police for different reasons. Not that the police need to be unnecessarily aggressive, but in the same way that you dread a particularly strict teacher harshly having a go at you if you are caught doing something wrong, people should fear the repercussions of the police if they are committing a crime.

And +1 to everything whatok has said so far

I heard that one yesterday morning, I love this bit:

A: It's the government's fault.

B: Yeah! . . . I dunno ?

A: Conservatives.

B: Yeah whatever who it is I dunno.

Get these two on Newsnight.

They should definitely have their own TV show...

They do confuse rich people with hard working people as well:

A: 'It's all about showing the rich people'

B: 'Yeah, the ones with businesses'

Don't throw the toys out of the pram, I forgive you.

Get some children, come back in 10 years, let's have this conversation again.

You'd have to get hold of a gun first...

Gimme a bell mate

mumsnet

Anyone with more than 50 posts in this thread fancy going for a drink later?

Get some children, come back in 10 years, let's have this conversation again.

my kids would totally have your kids

And we all know that fucking cunt won't help...

Oi! Reported!

I got done before for havin a pop at Jews, what gives??!

Anyone with more than 50 posts in this thread fancy going for a drink later?

dinner and a movie first?

is this about having kids?

The teacher who was looting Richer Sounds in Croydon has been sent to Crown Court for sentencing.

So she'll be going down for > 6 months.

Wait, really? I don't understand the court system here, so excuse my ignorance.

are the riots moving on to here now?

Seems that way. What a riot!!

dinner and a movie first?

is this about having kids?

Do I have to come South again?