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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14472884
Lets just hope it doesn't escalate to anything nearly as bad as this. Talking about putting guns on the street is stupid enough..
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"as south london was protected by its football fans last night manchester burned as united fans headed up from surrey"
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I think people are doing you a favour in saying that you're not going to
No one's doing me a favour (you patronising cunt), they are just being idiots, pointing out technical barriers to an idea.
All this 'to shot someone you'd need a gun and you haven't got one" is not registering in me as "Oh, my god, I didn't think of that", it's registering in me as they don't actually know what the conversation is about.
In the heat of the moment, or the rage post, I would probably shoot someone hurting my family. But in reality that would be very unlikely to happen because of a huge number of reasons, and I think that's what people are getting tangled with.
can we move on?
Rage post ? I'm perfectly un-ragey.
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well, this is why I was afraid of using those terms. But I'll try to define them better.
Humiliation doesn't necessarily mean mocking a person or forcing them to look stupid or something silly like that. For instance I was humiliated when my role models/people I cared about became disappointed in me. Many kids don't have role models or parents fit for purpose.. In this case we can either identify some completely bogus 'community leader' or simply embarrass them in front of their dickhead mates..
Intimidation goes with out saying, though. You should be scared of the police if you are committing a crime. The police don't even scare me that much any more, I doubt a hyped up looting kid with all his mates in tow thinks twice.
Actions and reactions as far as crimes go is fine with me, no need to intimidate/humiliate people though surely? Just warn and then issue a suitable punishment (fines, jail, whatever) as decided by the masses? From the rioting point of view: get enough police on the case and don't budge... detain those who dare to push their luck, excessive force would have been mindless and would've upped the aggression (at that time or at future riots, etc).
As far as respect for the police goes... In my opinion respect doesn't come from experience or humiliation (the opposite rings true for me), respect comes from having care. Perhaps you went down a different path because you cared about what your parents thought, or some other external insight from the careless/no regard for social "norms" mentality?
Essentially instilling social "norms"/laws through aggression/intimidation is never going to work in my opinion, you have to work out why some individuals decided to cut loose from lawful society and go from there.
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Sorry if re-post, I gave up trying to catch up long before the arguments...
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No one's doing me a favour (you patronising cunt), they are just being idiots, pointing out technical barriers to an idea.
All this 'to shot someone you'd need a gun and you haven't got one" is not registering in me as "Oh, my god, I didn't think of that", it's registering in me as they don't actually know what the conversation is about.
Rage post ? I'm perfectly un-ragey.
rage after
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Whoops, seems the teacher involved is a male Alexis not a female. And a fan of BITD comedy series Not The Nine O'Clock News.
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Whoops, seems the teacher involved is a male Alexis not a female. And a fan of BITD comedy series Not The Nine O'Clock News.
That is fucking MINT. Hope he broke his nose
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I will repeat my point (I don't feel particularly emotional by the way):
If someone where to set fire to places where babies sleep (particularly my son) I would shoot them.
Now here's the caveats for all the technical "have you ever looked into the eyes of a man you are going to kill / Hollywood script" people:
Would it be difficult, I have no clue as I have never fired a gun, but the point is I would do it, it is simple as that, I know I would do it.
Who saves your son?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to give this kind of person the good news, however my first priority would be the safety of my family and if that meant letting the arsonist go on his merry way, then so be it. As I've said many times, I believe the tactics employed in this current situation by the Met fell way short of what I would expect in a riot situation.
However, it is slowly becoming apparent why the reaction wasn't as brutal as it could have been. They are expecting to arrest well over 1000 people due to cctv, fingerprints, DNA, twitter, blog photos etc. which will lead to prosecution. They already have close to 800 in custody and courts about to be sitting 24 hours a day to process these people. We're in a different world now, and just because someone isn't apprehended at the time an offence is committed doesn't mean they can't be arrested, and prosecuted based on evidence gained at the time or later through the increased use of technology.
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Sure this will have already been posted but it's funny: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424
Two girls describing the fun they had at the riots...
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Actions and reactions as far as crimes go is fine with me, no need to intimidate people though surely? Just warn and then issue a suitable punishment (fines, jail, whatever) as decided by the masses? From the rioting point of view: get enough police on the case and don't budge... detain those who dare to push their luck, excessive force would have been mindless and would've upped the aggression (at that time or at future riots, etc).
As far as respect for the police goes... In my opinion respect doesn't come from experience or humiliation (the opposite rings true for me), respect comes from having care. Perhaps you went down a different path because you cared about what your parents thought, or some other external insight from the careless/no regard for social "norms" mentality?
Essentially instilling social "norms"/laws through aggression/intimidation is never going to work in my opinion, you have to work out why some individuals decided to cut lose from lawful society and go from there.
fines and jail are not a deterrent any more. Not for people with no money or community.
OF course, you could say if we rebuild the community, and socially mobilise people, then they will somehow revert to a less criminal way of life, but in my opinion, it is only the people themselves who can make that happen, and in their hopeless current state of mind, they would never let it happen.
I suppose you can look at the military process, of breaking a person down, through humiliation and intimidation, then re-establishing their values, building them back up, as a microcosm of what the penal system was originally supposed to do. However, now that the game has changed, both in in the streets and the system, it has lost it's power.
haha, "penal".
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you know nothing. That's the bottom line.
I actually sit here with people who went looting and they think you're just a bunch of weak posh liberal pussies and there's nothing you can do about it. And that's why they will never stop. And posh for them is everyone who doesn't live the road ting.
They don't work, they don't want education, they have no high ambitions - they just want to chillax with the black ops and live life of a premeirship footballer without being one, with no sweat. This is a complex thing - partially given to them by media, entertainment industry, cultural things, racial discrimination.
Frankly, it's you who are detached from reality. This is how it looks to me, judging from what i hear.
It will be very hard to succeed with an outreach program. Of course there are underprivileged people who only need a guidance, good infrastructure and some help to get qualification etc., but many will **see your kindness as a weakness **(this is just a gang mentality).+1. Fact.
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guns don't kill people,
police/youths/thugs/rappers/poor people/middle class/working class/tax evaders/rich people/football hooligans/hipsters/foreigns/racists/fixie skidders do