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There is no professional body for NHS manager/admin staff who could suspend/remove license to practise the way clinical staff can be sanctioned.

Let's hope that change. It's wild, if this were construction and someone died, CEO would be in big issues.

Yeah, I get that, but the BBC seems to be making out they suspected her of either murder or murderous incompetence in 2015. sure you might lose everything if you go wild on it but could you live with yourself if you didn’t? After they suspected something was badly wrong more babies died.

Suspect the truth is that they didn’t know what to think but Letby was the only link between all the deaths.

I find it odd / hard to understand why the folk who seemed to see what could be happening didn’t call the police themselves

Aside from the threats to their careers, initially they were calling for a proper medical review, not criminal charges, because they knew they only had circumstantial evidence, however much it worried them. It's also worth remembering that a fair number of lives have been ruined by false accusations of murder with regard to child deaths because of "expert witnesses" not taking enough care with statistical analysis. Remember Sir Roy Meadow? If you don't, look him up.

They eventually went to the police not because they thought they had a strong case but because not enough was being done about the evidence they did have.

Guardian reporting an expert witness involved reckons police should be looked at corporate manslaughter

just had a chat with her

She was possibly shagging a colleague. Depending on who that was, it may have been more than just a chat that got her back in the hospital's good books.

If there was a functioning justice system the ceo would be facing charges. Their only role is to inform police of a potential crime, not to investigate and certainly not to exculpate someone for literal murder.

What could they be charged with in a criminal sense? Manslaughter would be a stretch in terms of proving negligence.

Corporate negligence/manslaughter? I don't know if it fits brief.

Depends on how far you want to take the definition of ‘functioning justice system’. Should it be punishable by law not to report to law enforcement founded suspicions of an ongoing murder spree, when doing so would’ve prevented further murders from taking place? Ask any of the parents and grandparents, I bet you can guess their likely answers, which I’d agree with because the CEO was out of order, out of their depth and out of their —- mind* thinking this was an issue for them to have any, and especially the final say on.

• colloquially, not actually lacking compus mentis.
  
  

Of course, nothing of consequence will happen here because, as the talking heads will be brought out to say, we can’t expect businesses to -insert literally anything-. It’s just a few scores of little people’s lives destroyed, nothing that would demand real punishment for the corporate enablers.

Whole life term for Letby.
Unsurprising considering the victims being as defenseless as they were

Some very upsetting statements from the parents before the judge passed sentence.

Unsurprising considering the victims being as defenseless as they were

The position of trust she was in is the hardest part to me. The victims family will rightly have trust issues for the rest of their lives.

From what the judge was saying I had the impression that he gave a life term for each of the offences. So that's 14 life sentences?

My wife is a nurse and really struggled with any nurse being able to do anything like that (she felt the same the last time it happened).

It's heartbreaking the potential damage of reputation to nurses; in addition to the horrendous damage to the victims and families. What she's done is unfathomable.

I hope we can all just forget she ever existed and remove any oxygen from her name though there are clearly some significant learnings from the inquiry as to how she wasn't caught sooner.

It's heartbreaking the potential damage of reputation to nurses;

Spot on. In addition to the unimaginable upset that the families have suffered and will continue to suffer, the nurses I know are devastated for the victims/families and also for nursing in general.

Indeed. Reading the statement of the Father of the Triplets was harrowing. He's utterly broken.

I hope we can all just forget she ever existed and remove any oxygen from her name

Would be preferable, but the ghoulish true crime industry will have already started with their dramatised accounts and podcasts.

there are clearly some significant learnings from the inquiry as to how she wasn't caught sooner.

Yes, but if the learnings are along the lines of senior mgmt taking responsibility for their decisions in protecting reputations over protecting babies, don't hold your breath.

The reporting is a joke in this country, in the German media they showed a sketch from court
and didn't mention her full name, while the papers here turned their front pages into a shrine for her .

3 days later and that picture is still front page. Princess of our hearts.

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Lucy Letby bears a striking resemblance to Joanna Dennehy one of the other Women in prison on a whole life sentence

Lucy Letby bears a striking resemblance to Joanna Dennehy one of the other Women in prison on a whole life sentence

Huge if true!
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People who had babies pass through that unit will have trust problems for years, as will extended family and friends. The parents… there are no words.

It's heartbreaking the potential damage of reputation to nurses

Which would be tragic, because this was mostly a management failure and it's not as if we haven't had serial killing doctors. Ironically, one possible motivation cited for the management resistance to the whistleblowing doctors was that they (the management) mostly had careers connected to nursing and instinctively distrusted doctors making accusations about a nurse. Toxic culture all round.

In many industries is normal to believe there will be a procedure for hearing and effectively dealing with reports and complaints and you wouldn't naturally go to the police.

Hospitals are strange places though, many friends and family work all over the Uk, some trusts are reasonably good at dealing with issues (not talking about the magnitude of the cases in question) and others are incredibly bad where the only logical course of action is for the complainent to just leave and move to another job, whilst the person in the wrong just carries on.