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So you don't agree that cycling should be normalised as a day-to-day activity instead of being an activity that's only performed by an out group? Why not?
I ride 100+ miles a week. I follow the highway code, am courteous to other road users. I wear cycle specific clothing, it keeps me cool, and keeps my saddle sores at bay. Most of the worst cycling I see is by in experienced cyclists, often in what kahn describes as 'normal' clothing.
With this comment, Kahn is promoting a false prejudice based on appearance. He is saying that people who look like me are assholes. He is also saying that it is impossible to get a work-out from your commute, without riding agressively. I climb Gipsy hill every night, sometimes twice. I sprint down the longer open stretches of the old kent road. I manage to do this without antagonising anyone.
Kahn is a twat should speak to some cyclists before pronouncing on them.
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"You should ditch the Lycra and the shiny plastic clothing and just wear what you would normally wear to work. That is what people in Copenhagen do. It is a mode of transport not a sport"
A lot of wool, lycra and functional sportswear on the streets of Copenhagen. But if he is concerned solely with people using bicycles as a means of transport why look to Copenhagen and not London, Oxford, Cambridge or even Essex?
The main reason that cycling is nicer in Copenhagen than in London is that in the streets of Copenhagen, just as in Amsterdam, there are many more cyclists and the law does not criminalize bicycling... If London was to invest 1/4 of the road budget for bicycling--- as is the case in Copenhagen--- and toss in Dutch style at fault, we'd see a great drop in accidents.. and with it more bicycles... As long as the government lets motorists feel that its "their roads" and down talks cycling...
But while we're at it.. why not ditch the putzes in their sports wagons and SUVs and set limits on the size of motorcars.. -
Where do Rapha 3/4 city riding shorts come in the scale of cycle clothing - not cycle clothing?
Not sporty lycra, not quite normalised clothing but still pub friendly and almost normalised when teamed with a casual shirt and a trilby. Until the shorts wear out after a bit of light use.
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^ yeah but you could still do all that in regular clothes too
Have you ever had saddle sores, Eightball? Have you ever had peeling, rotting skin where your bag straps rub your clothes into your shoulders? Have you ever wanted to ride without a bag and carry things in pockets on, say, the back of your jersey?
I could do it in regular clothes, and for a while I did, and it was shit.
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^^maybe I need to think about my saddle then? They started a few years back after a long tour doing 70+ miles a day for a month, now I have to spend alot of money on lycra which seems to be the only thing that stops them getting any worse. But perhaps this is the wrong thread for this conversation, sorry, I seem to be doing it again...
^ Exactly this.
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Kahn
Why do you call him Kahn? He's called Kah Chan.
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The main reason that cycling is nicer in Copenhagen than in London is that in the streets of Copenhagen, just as in Amsterdam, there are many more cyclists and the law does not criminalize bicycling
Please specify in which way the law in the UK 'criminalises' bicycling.
Also, in the Netherlands and in Denmark, using cycle tracks is mandatory. Where one exists, you're not permitted to ride in the carriageway.
... If London was to invest 1/4 of the road budget for bicycling--- as is the case in Copenhagen--- and toss in Dutch style at fault, we'd see a great drop in accidents.. and with it more bicycles... As long as the government lets motorists feel that its "their roads" and down talks cycling...
In the Netherlands at least, serious injuries to cyclists have increased considerably in the last fifteen years or so (without a corresponding increase in cycling). The myth that they decreased arose because Dutch police effectively stopped recording crashes. Recent work on hospital data has produced better figures.http://www.swov.nl/rapport/R-2012-09.pdf
I haven't studied crash stats in Denmark yet (need to learn a bit of Danish first).
It is generally a mistake to think that you can sort out streets by investing in one particular mode. Good street design is inclusive and flexible. I obviously agree that a lot needs to change in the way in which investment is targeted, and that considerable changes to infrastructure are needed.
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What a wanker. I apologise for my stupid arse countryman, who doesn't understand the difference between correlation and causation.
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All he's doing is referring to a recognised sociological phenomenon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroups_and_outgroups#Outgroup_derogation
If an out group doesn't look like an out group, it is more difficult for the phenomenon to manifest.
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I still prefer an undesignated wider outer lane to proper cycle lanes. Cheaper and safer in my experience. I often get razzed by drivers when I'm cycling down a one way street on the wrong (no cycle lane) side. Also, get rid of on street parking.
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bonkers
http://road.cc/content/news/89501-mike-cotty-unveils-666km-trans-alpine-epic-challenge-video
Non stop!
Video made me want to hurl.
Yeah but ... non stop!
Insane!!!
How on earth do you even train for something like that?
http://road.cc/content/news/89807-mike-cottys-666km-trans-alpine-bike-setup
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All he's doing is referring to a recognised sociological phenomenon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroups_and_outgroups#Outgroup_derogation
If an out group doesn't look like an out group, it is more difficult for the phenomenon to manifest.
He is asserting that people should change their appearance to appease others. He is wrong.
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^ yeah but you could still do all that in regular clothes too
hey Eightball, have you ever had saddle sores? Have you ever had eggs of puss the size of eggs clustering round your brown star and halfway up your groin bridge? Have you? Have you ever had weeping sores dotted across your backside like shell holes on the Somme? Have you ever had to drain a pint and a half of stinking, suppurating matter from a boil beneath your ball bag? Have you cried with the pain of swollen privates? Have you spent a whole summer carrying round an inflatable rubber ring just so you can sit your infected arse down because even the softest of soft furnishings, the plumpest of pillows and the richest of velours is like sandpaper sprinkled with broken glass to your plague infested buttocks?
Well, have you?
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I don't disagree with this. However, my skill at getting suit trousers caught in fixed drivetrains is the reason I wear shorts to commute, rather than as some sort of identifier to other cyclists.