Large Hadron Collider

good news they haven't created a black hole and we are not all gonna die
bad news they are going to use it for another year and then take it out of comission for a year or two to do repair / refurb work
repair work already what are they toyota's prius division

Good news everybody!

good news they haven't created a black hole and we are not all gonna die
bad news they are going to use it for another year and then take it out of comission for a year or two to do repair / refurb work
repair work already what are they toyota's prius division

Are you writing for the Dail Mail now dicki?

i put £10 of my hard earned tax dollar into that thing ( as did probably everyone else in europe )
i just want to make sure it isn't being wasted
keep the pressure on those guys to find the god particle

It's unrealistic to expect that a project such as this is going to take off with out some hitches, it new ground in engineering as well as science. Their biggest mistake was in having a grand opening and forgetting how useless the press are at explaining any thing but how good they are at sensationalising everything.

they have probably done enough experimenting to see where some flaws in their model / failings in the technology and are now correcting it

similar to the tinkering done to the hubble telescope, a bit of fine tuning and their instrumnets could be a 100x more sensitive / better at what they do and able to woork more efficiently

maybe we all get another 12 months to live !

http://webcast.cern.ch/lhcfirstphysics/ webcast

A prof. from my old HEP dept was on channel 4 news doing a good job of talking it up.

[rant]The reason why the higgs mechanism is so hotly toted is because they're sure (as one can be (95% confidence interval) ) that the LHC will prove it's existence or lack thereof. Consequently journalists interpret (or least realise the public interpret) this to mean the higgs is the reason for it's construction. It isn't the reason, it isn't even the biggest reason. It's the biggest reason which fits in the public perception of science, i.e. theory -> test -> discovery. Novel prediction is amazing when it happens, but most discoveries made, or realised, retrospectively.

Incidently, there are numerous concievable mechanisms whereby one can encoporate mass into quantum electrodynamics, the Higgs happens to have recieved the most attention.

There are 4 scenario's regarding the higgs at the LHC:

1. It exists, but at a low mass such that it's only produced in a particular process which has a very high background. as such huge amounts of data (many years) are required to identify a higgs signal. If this is the case the Tevatron (previosly highest energy collider) may beat the LHC to it, as it has a huge backlog of data, and is capable of producing a low mass higgs.

2. It exists but at a higher energy such that other production processes are viable and hence a more rapid discovery is possible.

3. It doesn't exist , but a very similar mechnism is found to occur

4. New physics.

[/rant]

Needless to say the next bump will be several years down the line.

A prof. from my old HEP dept was on channel 4 news doing a good job of talking it up.

[rant]The reason why the higgs mechanism is so hotly toted is because they're sure (as one can be (95% confidence interval) ) that the LHC will prove it's existence or lack thereof. Consequently journalists interpret (or least realise the public interpret) this to mean the higgs is the reason for it's construction. It isn't the reason, it isn't even the biggest reason. It's the biggest reason which fits in the public perception of science, i.e. theory -> test -> discovery. Novel prediction is amazing when it happens, but most discoveries made, or realised, retrospectively.

Incidently, there are numerous concievable mechanisms whereby one can encoporate mass into quantum electrodynamics, the Higgs happens to have recieved the most attention.

There are 4 scenario's regarding the higgs at the LHC:

1. It exists, but at a low mass such that it's only produced in a particular process which has a very high background. as such huge amounts of data (many years) are required to identify a higgs signal. If this is the case the Tevatron (previosly highest energy collider) may beat the LHC to it, as it has a huge backlog of data, and is capable of producing a low mass higgs.

2. It exists but at a higher energy such that other production processes are viable and hence a more rapid discovery is possible.

3. It doesn't exist , but a very similar mechnism is found to occur

4. New physics.

[/rant]

Needless to say the next bump will be several years down the line.

and?

good point.

It tends not to come up in conversation. When I saw a 3 week old thread I jumped at the oportunity to express myself... against my better judgement it seems.

fuck it

good point.

It tends not to come up in conversation. When I saw a 3 week old thread I jumped at the oportunity to express myself... against my better judgement it seems

Maybe you are lacking in feelings and look upon LFGSS as an escape, sit down chill out and think about the issues in your life and try to explain these feelings to people close to you instead of a bunch of retards on the net ;p

Maybe you are lacking in feelings and look upon LFGSS as an escape

My feelings regarding my interest in the LHC remember, not my feelings. Don't lets make out posting stuff on the internet makes anyone emotionally inept

I reckon the Higgs is just stuck on the back of an old electron and they can't see it because the electron is facing the wrong way, you know like the Nazi moon base, you can't see that because it's on the side of the moon facing the other way, it's probably just like that but much much smaller which makes it harder to see, an electron - for example - is the same size as an ant's eye ball or possibly many millions of time smaller, imagine if there was a small ball stuck on the back of the ant's eye - and it had no head, just the eye ball, so it could move around, like a protonic particle, but you could never see it because you were always looking at the pupil of the ant's eye, maybe it hypnotised you and that's why (the ant eye not the electron, although who knows maybe electrons can hypnotise you too) you don't bother looking 'round the back, my brother used to do a similar thing when he started to go bald, he would just stare at you as if he was in a trance so you never thought of having a wander around the back to check out his bald patch, it was about 2" x 2" (it now covers his whole head) then, which compared to the size of an average head (a medium) is the exact same relationship between the Higgs and an electron (if you have a particularly big electron, which you get in things like fruit and vegetables).

you see, this is why I never bring it up

Tynan and Neu are made for each other, job done.........

Incidently, there are numerous concievable mechanisms whereby one can encoporate mass into quantum electrodynamics, the Higgs happens to have recieved the most attention.

There are 4 scenario's regarding the higgs at the LHC:

1. It exists, but at a low mass such that it's only produced in a particular process which has a very high background. as such huge amounts of data (many years) are required to identify a higgs signal. If this is the case the Tevatron (previosly highest energy collider) may beat the LHC to it, as it has a huge backlog of data, and is capable of producing a low mass higgs.

2. It exists but at a higher energy such that other production processes are viable and hence a more rapid discovery is possible.

3. It doesn't exist , but a very similar mechnism is found to occur

4. New physics.

[/rant]

I found an old used Higgs Boson in the back pocket of my 'going out' trousers, should I send it to the guys at Cern ?

I can take a picture if you like ?

Higgs boson reminds me of a kid i used to do science class with, his name was Matt. Anyway, he was a fucking wanker so we started a plauisble rumour that he used to fellate farm animals. We nearly got expelled when we printed the "Matt blows goats" t-shirts. He cried, and it was good.

I'd expect it would have decayed by now, mostly likely in W or Z bosons, then into pretty much anything. Next time, if you can try and get a pic sooner. Or you could trace back from what's in you back pocket using the decay products of W & Z bosons here: http://pdg.lbl.gov/2009/tables/rpp2009-sum-gauge-higgs-bosons.pdf

Good luck

I'd expect it would have decayed by now, mostly likely in W or Z bosons, then into pretty much anything. Next time, if you can try and get a pic sooner. Or you could trace back from what's in you back pocket using the decay products of W & Z bosons here: http://pdg.lbl.gov/2009/tables/rpp2009-sum-gauge-higgs-bosons.pdf

Good luck

It's fine, it doesn't look like it has decayed yet (my 'going out' trousers haven't been used for a while), although there is a little bit of discolouration.

I emailed Cern and told them I had a Higgs Boson and have taken a picture, but they have not bothered to reply as yet ?

try b.cox@cern.ch. He'll be very happy to get back to you. Any chance of uploading the pic here?

"Anyone who thinks the LHC will destroy the World is a Twat." - Brian Cox

http://www.astroengine.com/?p=1240

try b.cox@cern.ch. He'll be very happy to get back to you. Any chance of uploading the pic here?

Hold on, I will just do some upload magic. . . . .

I made a pair of protective gloves from OURY grips lest I was irradiated by the actual particle.

Here you go, you know what . . . the more I look at it . . . I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a very small under-inflated balloon with 'Higgs' written on it ? But I am no scientist so I will let the folks at Cern do a proper analysis.

Conclusive proof, and all he used was an iMac... Impressive...

I did a lol.