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• #902
@Chalfie, why would I get fed up with it, born and raised south london, how can I get fed up with the place I call home, and if I was fed up with it, where would I move to. The suburbs? North london? Some commuter town?
I'd rather be in london with all its faults and joys, than be anywhere else in the uk. South london till I die.
If I do get fed up with it, I'll move overseas, put an ocean or a continent between me and london, and then move to another big city, cause I'm a city boy, the country ain't for me, apart from holidays..
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• #903
I thinks its more fed up with all the gentrification stuff.
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• #904
Yes. That's exactly what I mean.
I didn't say I wanted to leave London, I said "aren't we all a bit fed up of it?".It really is starting to feel like more and more people are getting the shit end of the stick. I'm pretty lucky, white, middle class,educated to degree level. I guess I'll be OK.
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• #905
Mixing things up is good, it's creative. Having 3 or more coffee shops offering about the same thing isn't.
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• #906
Apologies, wrong end of mixed up stick.
Gentrification is here its probably a case of communities trying to push back and create some balance, but money talks and in the end everyone wants to cash in.
I've got to say I'm a bit on the fence about the gentrification thing, as I enjoy the trappings of middle class things, whilst still wanting that old West Indian community to hold fast... Probably not going to happen but it kind of feels like it'll be a case of killing the golden goose, as people move in because its cheaper and more vibrant (read black) and then with their arrival change the place to suit their needs/more businesses arrive to service their needs, rather than engaging with what is already there.
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• #907
mixing things up is good but what i dont want is the place i moved to to become a twee shell of what i moved there for a good solid working high-street with leisure centre, pubs and a cinema. but i guess im part of the problem for some, i don't have links with brixton bought a house because i like the area.
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• #908
I too enjoy the middle class life, I like to know the schools are good, the sourdough was baked today, and the milk in my flat white never saw more than 60 degrees C.
I like brand names, and I like independents.
there's a sweet spot somewhere, I'm sure, it just never stays that way for long.
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• #909
That's the thing Chalfie, that balance is what the community needs to fight for, so it gentrification doesn't become all encompassing. Think for Brixton that means the black population need to make sure they don't get sidelined..
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• #911
There's a few Dalston/Hackney hipster types at work...mid/late 20's, ALL raving about how cool Brixton and Peckham is
We're all fucked
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• #912
When the new nipper's born we'll probably move back South...Herne Hill, Tulse Hill end of Brixton
How much are 3 bed houses/flats with a garden going for now? -
• #913
£450k
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• #914
agreed it a balance that is needed, I for one was over joyed to see TK Max in the high street, but less so the phone shop domination of the east side of the high-street! I think and hope that there will always be a strong black presence in Brixton is it is a massive part of its history as a town and has shaped how it is today. Also lambeth needs to balance affordable homes for young people with new private developments
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• #915
All the phone shops were closed and/or had their shutters pulled down in, what I assume is, preparation for Splash (I think only Three was open? But it did still have its shutters closed.). The one the corner had a Jamaican flag in the window. I suspect as some sort of anti-window smashing kriptonite.
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• #916
That's already happening, CornDog... A Disney version of Brixton is all that will remain in a few years time... See Portobello Road...
#bitterAh Brixton.
Back in the day when you were either in Jamaica or Donegal, and all the pubs had character and were fun. When you could catch a 159 at the top of the hill and be in Trafalgar Square 20 mins later. That's the Brixton I'll always remember.
(Standard jpg of elderly man)
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• #917
was talking to a local in the pub round the corner and he was lamenting the lost pubs of Lambeth, the Queen is one that I would have like to drunk in, alegedly there was some brown envelopes involved in that one as they thought it was listed building but that could be pub chat bollox.
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• #918
They opened the shutters. I lied.
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• #919
Mildura, Ballarat, Bendigo, etc, don't count...
Melbourne, darling.
Anyway, they're all more Australian then anything in QLD. The local language being English as opposed to Japanese. ;)
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• #920
There's a few Dalston/Hackney hipster types at work...mid/late 20's, ALL raving about how cool Brixton and Peckham is
We're all fucked
^ This. I saw one wandering around on the edge of the Heron estate Peckham with a massive Nikon camera casually strapped on. Felt like telling him it might not be a great idea but decided to leave it. Experience innit.
There has been a steady influx over the past couple of years of white middle class tattooed beardy 20 somethings. Sad face.
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• #921
Almost everybody here decrying the gentrification is a white, middle class/income incomer to the area, neatly drawing a line in history where their arrival was some genuine act and after that it's all hipster yuppies ruining the place. I've been in Brixton since '93 and I came here because all my friends in London were here, I loved the place and I was skint and Brixton was easily one of the best places to live in London if you had no money. But I was hardly the only person doing the same at that time - you could say we were the advance guard, since we might have been skint when we arrived but most of us did well enough after we got here and our presence probably did a lot to reassure the later waves of Hoxtonites.
The only reason it's taken this long to really begin the gentrification of Brixton is that the council massively fucked the local economy back in the second half of the 90s and it took a decade to recover.
No part of a living city is ever static. Get over it.
Hipsters are cunts, though, obv.
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• #922
There has been a steady influx over the past couple of years of white middle class tattooed beardy 20 somethings. Sad face.
Guilty.
But I live in Peckham Rye.
Oh well.
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• #923
Still no waitrose, hurry up!
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• #924
I'm not moaning about hipster yuppies ruining the place. I'm moaning about the kicking out of people from houses the council just twigged were worth something. I'm moaning about the constant movement of people with less to areas with less. I'm moaning about the lack of school places in Lambeth (not enough schools). I'm moaning for my neighbour who has to trudge from streatham to somewhere in Southwark on time for school commencing at 8ish.
I'm also moaning that I've lived in streatham for nearly 5 years, and have seen it change (for thebetter, it's nice here) but now the house prices are mental.
I couldn't really give a shitabout being authentic, it's prettyfucking difficult to pretend to be anything other than part of the establishment when you look at who I am.
I do give a shit about people I know though.
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• #925
doesn't this conversation happen every 6 months?
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Yes. I'm moving to Croydon. Fuck it all.