Lance Armstrong... greatest doper there was or ever will be

Andy, the American public would probably care about it.

^US public does not = UK public

I disagree.

I'm with Will, and mendacious is exactly the right word to use.

this goes deep. i believe that the uci "allowed" him to take certain drugs post cancer. so he believes he's technically not doing anything wrong. just like asthma medication.

anyhoo, the truth prevails. look at all the track and field atlhletes ie marion jones, that eventually got caught out .

And who caught Jones? Jeff Novitzky, the lead investigator on this case.

Btw, Hein Verbruggen, former UCI president and, according to Dale, Armstrong's protector, had an email exchange with Floyd Landis, which has been leaked;

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/verbruggen-labels-landis-a-nuisance

You have to question the wisdom of anyone who engages in an email conversation with Landis at the moment, did he not consider for one moment that these emails might end up in the public domain?

Andy, the American public would probably care about it.

Sections of them certainly. My mate Dean helps run cycling holidays in Spain and many of the customers are American; well-off, conservative and all great fans of Armstrong. Dean had a yellow "Cheat to win" wristband which he had to stop wearing because none of his US clients could even begin to grasp that there were doubts about Armstrong's story. To them he was a hero, a man who had beaten cancer and inspired millions. Someone who's medical history proved to them again the truth of the American Dream. When they finally come to see that he is nothing but a liar and a cheat they *will *care.

Hein Verbruggen: " it is you and no one else than you who took the decision to use drugs and you should take that responsibility as a man."

I wonder if he will be singing the same tune when Armstrong finally gets busted?

the marion jones comparison is also interesting in that she never failed a drugs test. although was married to cj hunter one of the bigfest dopers.

bets on whether he cracks like marion and comes clea.. OR waits till he's found out.

also uci fucked up by letting lance race, probably not expecting him to win so many. so they don't want this whole thing to come out as it makes a mockery of the sport and the leaders.

Btw, Hein Verbruggen, former UCI president and, according to Dale, Armstrong's protector, had an email exchange with Floyd Landis, which has been leaked;

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/verbruggen-labels-landis-a-nuisance

You have to question the wisdom of anyone who engages in an email conversation with Landis at the moment, did he not consider for one moment that these emails might end up in the public domain?

What an absolutely childish unsolicited email to send.

Whilst we are looking at turning a corporate blind eye to doping, Nike has managed to personally sponsor a fucking shitload of busted US athletes whilst staying below the radar.

^Gotta be a fake

Nike: Erm, yeah we don't know anything about drugs or doping, ask Puma, they have Maradonna.

Nike: We had no reason to believe that tennis socks would be used as a performance aid in a sport other than tennis.

"I’ve done too many good things for too many people."

This is really revealing. Even the most determined dopers have some sort of conscience, some understanding that what they are doing is not right, and they use all sorts of mental tricks to assuage that guilt: Everyone does it, it's not dope it's medicine, they are recovery products, cycling clean is actually bad for your health and on and on. Armstrong has clearly added a new one: My success has saved lives so what does it matter how I achieved that success? God dammit, when you think about it, every injection I ever had was a step closer to a cure for cancer. How can that be wrong?
Desperate times indeed.

Or isn't he just admitting that he didn't stop when he should have done?

Or is it like a double negative?

Should he have done fewer good things for less people?

I've read the following use of English a couple of times now in what they've been saying:

It's subtle, but what he means to say is that 'Floyd has lied', or, better still, 'has been lying' to the public for years. The past tense in English means that the action described is finished and over, so what he's saying is 'Floyd lied to the public for years, and I'm implying that now he's telling the truth. Why should anyone believe him now?' Er, yes, why?

I suspect Bruyneel is using the past tense as he would use the past tense in Dutch or German, where it has a somewhat different function.

That's an overly logical interpretation of his use of language, Ollie - who'd have thought that of you (is that the past conditional?)? Whatever the semantics, he just means he lied before and so we can't trust him now. You are giving him too much credit for his use of English. The past tense can mean many things...

It's American English anyway.

Socks rock.

I really like Landis now:

Regarding my decisions to dope and to lie. I made bad choices and cannot change them but I learned one thing a few weeks ago that my parents have always tried to teach me: the truth shall set you free. I think that even applies after 69 years of lies, maybe you can confirm that for me.

Thanks again Floyd Landis Yellow Jersey Wearer: Nuisance Category
The 'nuisance category' thing cracked me up.

What Armstrong doesn't understand, I think, is just how sincere Landis sounds now. To me, there's no doubt that that's what he is.

That's an overly logical interpretation of his use of language, Ollie - who'd have thought that of you (is that the past conditional?)? Whatever the semantics, he just means he lied before and so we can't trust him now. You are giving him too much credit for his use of English. The past tense can mean many things...

I did imply that it was probably just because he doesn't understand English tenses ... :)

Like I said, as long as we have a legitimate and credible and fair investigation, we’d be happy to cooperate. But I’m not going to participate in any kind of witch hunt.

Durrr, it's a Federal investigation stupid. You don't have a choice whether to take part or not.

you can, you can choose to speak freely or the waterboard comes out.

wait, that's national. not federal.

Odd that Verbruggen doesn't actually say "I didn't lie about that". Just says that he stated something under oath and he takes oaths seriously...

I declared under oath in a French court that I have never put a doping case under the table nor any other breach of the rules. And I take oaths very serious. Also, after a thorough investigation, that court concluded that under my presidency the UCI has done everything (!) against doping it possibly could have done.