Tubs

Noticed you have an Ernie Clements and have been trying to buy one but could not find any info on his "own label" bikes so have not got far. Any info would be appreciated. Can't locate whisper function on new board!!!!!!

Mail me - ken0307atgooglemail,com

Thanks.

Sorry man! I'm talking Clements tubulars! ;)

todd
are those mavic e2 not in production anymore?

Don't think so. You still find them or similar on eBay now and then. Araya make some really nice box rims.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1980s-ARAYA-AERO-RIMS-Clincher-32s-TRACK_W0QQitemZ280213560365QQihZ018QQcategoryZ56197QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
what about these, just wondering if these are ok for road as they aint machined

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1980s-ARAYA-AERO-RIMS-Clincher-32s-TRACK_W0QQitemZ280213560365QQihZ018QQcategoryZ56197QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
what about these, just wondering if these are ok for road as they aint machined

jos has heaps of cheaper nice clincher rims with or without machined surfaces ;)

would he build me some wheels or would someone else build me some i have the hubs

search for wheel build on this forum loads of info for you my friend

would he build me some wheels or would someone else build me some i have the hubs

i can build em if you want, plus jos is close to me as well ;)

brillant dogs will take you up on that
i will ask jos what he has rims wise

jos what rims you got for me, and where are you based

So... what about for cyclocross?

I'm thinking tubs. I puncture seldom, and it seems to me that avoiding pinch flats would be a major advantage.

I've never had tubs or changed them though... is it really so much of a pain in the arse?

For me, yes. For you, since you seem to spend time working on your bikes, probably not.
They are more fiddly but using this new fangled tape instead of glue might save you some time when it comes to swapsies. I've not used it though. Unstitching and repairing them = more effort then patching innit.

I'll admit I don't patch. I just replace. In the past 3 years the only punctures I've had have left holes in the tyres, so I've had to replace both most times. The few times I didn't the tyre punctured again in the wet very soon after. So my current experience is that I'd just replace tubs whole when there are punctures. Though I appreciate it might get expensive quite quickly.

I'm less bothered about clinchers v tubs than I am about investing in a killer set of rims for tubs and then learning that I should've chosen clinchers. But I will kick myself hard if I chicken out and got for clinchers and then get pinch flats when I charge around off road and have other riders inform me of the benefit of tubs.

Never ridden cyclocross and never ridden tubs but in my experience on MTB punctures tend to come from thorns e.t.c more than pinch punctures. A thorn will beat glass at giving you punctures.

you can always get tubular clinchers ;)

p.s if you do go for tubs when you get a puncture and throw away the tub throw it my way.

Yes tubs do run higher and are lighter, but my current tube and tyre combo weights in at less than 220g together and they run quite happy at 150 psi

Both. Tubs = fine weather open rural roads, Clinchers = rainy London glass ridden streets. Tubs are infinitely superior ride.

"FUCK, that's a bloody long walk home & £££ down the drain."

...is how i feel about tubs after a puncture. The rest of the time I love their suppleness when you get out to smooth roads. Changing tubs isn't so hard (tape is quick and easy).

+1 for tubs. I use Conti Competition Vectran everyday in London streets. Higher pressure, smooth ride, no punctures.

+1 for tubs- try Conti Gatorskins -they've survived two years summer/winter commutes without mishaps and pre stretched spares mean a quick changeover if punctured (assuming you remember the pump)

Mate, just get a tubular clincher tyres.

Tubular clinchers... all the disadvantages of a tubular (pucture = a new tyre) with dubious benefits. It's no wonder tubular clinchers don't seem to have caught on... IMHO.

Can't imagine why you'd choose tubs for anything other than competition.

Two words: bike porn :)

It's quite a lot easier to find used discs and other exotic wheels with tubs.. But that said I would not be ridin' tubulars on a daily basis.

Tubular clincher tyres;

normally rrp is £40 but i think it's possible to get them for £25.