Tubs

well it's like apple vs windows.

With tubs [apple], they're used by very few people so they're expensive and harder to find, and when you get a flat it's gonna cost you lots more of your money and time to repair. On the other hand, they look and feel very nice.

lpg well it's like apple vs windows.

With tubs [apple], they're used by very few people so they're expensive and harder to find, and when you get a flat it's gonna cost you lots more of your money and time to repair. On the other hand, they look and feel very nice.

And clinchers [Windows] crash a lot. ;)

and you have to restart every time something goes wrong... and it stinks

I reckon that's a poor analogy.
Clinchers might be like PCs.. lots of 'em, they work, they've evolved into great tools.
Tubs are like a Cray supercomputer: more expensive, harder to use, need more care operating them, but faster.

are tubs more expensive?

a top range vittoria, conti or michelin clincher, with latex tube will offer a smilar ride to a twenty quid tub...but how much would they cost?

Well.. aren't those lovely Dugast tubs about £70-80? :)

For a not so similar ride you can pay £10 for cheap clincher setup and they are better suited for city riding.

We're not talking racing here.. are we?

You get better ride quality per penny with tubs....tenner tubs are available and much better than any clincher / innertube combo for the same price...

my track tubs were 35 quid each and you just can't get a clincher like them, no matter how much you pay..

Having said that plenty of actual (not pretend) racers ride on clinchers at HH because they are perfectly aware unless you are a top pro, the couplahundredths seconds you save per lap will not actually affect the results in your local track league....and there are far more important factors which will influence your speed to a much greater extent like fitness and body weight!

there is no good reason for riding tubs in town.....unless for aesthetic / pose reasons...if you consider them to be good reasons, go for it.

High pressure doesn't mean less chance of puncturing, running correct pressures for your tyres does though....

high pressure pushes the tube against the wall more and the casing rubber of the outer with a pressure from inside will yield easier to flints....however a high pressure tyre has a smaller footprint so you literally ride over less flints anyway!
an under inflated narrow tyre is prone to snake bites and innertube movement..

Okay, OP is talking about riding around town. I think it's pretty clear that tubs are silly for this. Case closed?

yes..

...unless the only wheels you have are tubular ones and you can't afford a set of clincher wheels. In which case it's fine to persevere with the tubs, as they aren't actually that much of a hassle, specially if you've got decent road tubs on.

probable false economy in the long run...

is the olimpionico still available? great training tub.

hippy Okay, OP is talking about riding around town. I think it's pretty clear that tubs are silly for this. Case closed?

I am going with you on this one, it is for around town and the general consensus seems to be 'don't do it baby'.

As you say, case closed.

Looking to get a set of wheels built up and currently searching for rims.
What is the better option Tubs or Clinchers? I've never had Tubs so have no experience of them, are they better or is the clincher better for fixing blow outs?

I am leaning towards clinchers but wanted some opinions?

Clincher !!!

Clincher !!!

Clincher !!!

Tubs have their qualities, but unless you seriously enjoy faffing about (like I think I do) then go for clinchers. Easier on the wallet and easier on your patience.

Clinchers unless you really are going to be spending more time on the track than the road.

clinchers

clinchers

clinchers it is then, I'll remove the tub rims I'm watching on the bay

Don't be so hasty to diss tubs. I've been riding on them nearly everyday for the last couple of years. They're lighter and ride better plus rims/wheels are cheaper on ebay. They are easy to change on the hoof providing you carry a spare and a roll of tub tape (extra sticky double sided cloth tape) but a bit of a pain to repair as you have to stitch them up again af ter you have stuck on the patch - or go for Tufo's which are resealable and pretty much punctureproof.

I've ridden with tubs on the road for nearly a year. There's no point. I only ever had 2 punctures but it simply wasn't worth the hassle. I love the idea of them and understand why they're ridden for serious racing. You can get some serious air in 'em. Replacing them is costly. Fixing them is timely. Then you've got to glue them on. You can buy a glue which you spray into the tube but it isn't always going to fix it.
I've just replaced mine with some vintage chrome mavic clinchers. With some narrow gum wall tires you get the same look and a lot of relief!

Todd what rims u got?

I was using beautiful Super Champion Arc En Ceil tubular rims.
I now have Mavic Module-E2 clinchers. Also France made.
Teamed up with some Veloflex 700x20 skinwalls and you've got a perfect match looks wise.
I agree with you about tubs. They're amazing but when I did puncture, I was miles from home.
Used a whole can of aerosol glue. No good as the tyre was ripped. (Original vintage Clements)
It was raining too so using tub tape was gonna be tough. I rode very slowly with a new tub loosely fitted. Was absolutely fine but at that point I said "Never again". Would use them tomorrow on the track though.

Noticed you have an Ernie Clements and have been trying to buy one but could not find any info on his "own label" bikes so have not got far. Any info would be appreciated. Can't locate whisper function on new board!!!!!!

Mail me - ken0307atgooglemail,com

Thanks.

tubs, high pressure, reallly fast, easy skids!! :p

yeah pump them up to 170psi!