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excuse my ignorance, but surely weight is irrelevant on downhill bikes?
EDIT: okay not irrelevant, but not something that is going to be top of your priorities really?
steve peat only has 3 titanium disk brake bolts on his rotors not 6. a tiny weight saving but it all adds up :-)
they all use air forks/shocks now too as heat buildup isn't an issue and a fair chunk of weight is saved.
his bike weighs 37lb
they even strip the paint off the hubs and remove all the seals and grease from the hubs for faster rolling.
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repost but worthy, totally!
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And dudes, all the fuss about the lightweight wwheels branding is just way to much fuss about nothing. I mean; who rally looking at the name label of such a quality piece of kit? I've used a pair and I can assure you and the font of the label wasn't what I was thinking about.
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@Autti
Just because they don't 'rent' the same VPP design as santa cruz and intense and several others, and don't rely on hydroformed aluminium doesn't mean they use outdated designs and technology.
You might want to look into just how many broken Intense DH frames there have been over the years.
I know people that have broken one a season. I know one person who broke more than that, then got so sick of breaking them that he bought a brooklyn, then won the european champs on it.One of the reasons intense are so popular is because they have a great warranty policy.
This whole discussion has been done to death though and even i'm bored of defending BMW's now.
Ride what you want to ride, believe whichever hype you want to believe.BMW make great bikes, which are great to ride, and last a LONG time.
But that's just my opinion and it's no more right or wrong than anybody elses.I have never ridden a BMW but I agree with what you say, they are innovative and without the presumably million dollar research and development budgets?
Innovative doesn't always mean at the leading edge/the best possible, it can just mean different approaches which is where I guess Autti has the problem. I imagine that innovation from one spurs ideas on for another.Interested in the V brake though, did Brooklyn patent it or did Shimano make something similar but not protected by the patent? Brooklyn could have done very well with that one, or did they?
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No. They weren't really thinking about anything like patents back then.
Doc started out making the brakes in his appartment with a drill and saw etc. He used to use a phonebook as a workbench.
They were rough as hell.
They got quite a reputation amongst trials riders, which is what Doc was into at the time. He was a grundig world cup champion.
Then he hooked up with Joe who already had his machine shop, and the rest is history.Couple of years later Shimano and others started making v brakes.
They weren't bothered though, they were just doing their own thing really. They always have.
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Actually some real racers in this ad.
Standing left = Jan de Nijs, ex roadie and 1984 stayer World Champion (if I'm not mistaken)
Sitting left = Conny Meijer (good racer, died much too young).](http://img818.imageshack.us/i/maxcroweposter.jpg/)
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They weren't bothered though, they were just doing their own thing really. They always have.
Thanks, that's good info.
But go on, they must have been a bit bothered not to have reaped reward for linear pull :-)
I think another part of it that someone like Autti is missing is that people want to buy products from people like Brooklyn even when they could arguably get the same/better from larger corporate/almost corporate manufacturers as they like what they have done over the years and want to support that and the brand.
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How do you not slide off the front of this? Just photo angle?
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I'm sure they were gutted at first but they're really not the kind of guys to worry about that kind of thing.
They both just loved what they did and still do, albeit separately now.
They used to test the hell out of their components.
The reason the components became so overbuilt in the first place was because they were breaking standard components and decided to make stuff that allowed them to ride where and how they wanted to at the time.
Places like Plattekill are hard on components. :]Sure, some people love grass roots companies...i was instantly attracted to the sheer overbuilt and unique look of their stuff...i loved their whole philosophy of 'This is what we do...take it or leave it'.
The fact that they were doing something so different to what the bigger companies were doing at the time was great in my eyes.While the majors were worrying about how to save weight, BMW were building 7Olbs bikes with 14" of travel , and motocross forks on the front and having a ball blasting down the mountains. That's what made them different.
I'm not saying that different is always better...just that life needs a bit of contrast.
For anyone that is interested, here's a nice little article on them from a few years ago.
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I think the fork thing I found refers to
BerlinBavarian MW.ftfy
Bayerische Motoren Werke AG (BMW), (literally English: Bavarian Motor Works), although I think Matchless might have a claim to the greater part of the invention.
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I just had a look at their website, the parts they "make" look pretty rank. Eccentric company - none of their stuff really appeals to me, although I'm sure they used to make T1 frames or something
Why the highlight on "make" ? Do you think they grow them? :]
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hey nuno,
what is that??? super nice anti-slope!
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