Tubs

I would be in favour of this btw.

We drink ore coffee than anyone in europe.

Not much cafe culture though.

If you can get Dugast cheaper than Veloflex how much are they?

590 nok for cotton.

828nok for silk.

Cant find veloflex here. Which means delivery etc.

FMB from 700nok

The store that stocks the Dugast now stock FMBs. They're £20 per tyre more expensive.

Against what baseline? You might want to consider ordering direct as it might be cheaper..
Dugasts used to be really good.. Like the best of the old Wolbers... But the new Dugasts seemed to be less rigid quality.. perhaps they ran low on the old Wolber materials, I think, that Andre was using.. Dugast cross tyres still seem the only game in town but the road tyres have met their match.. FMBs seem to take over now where Andre Dugast left off.. These are the tyres that a lot of pro-riders are even paying out-of-pocket for...

They have both cotton and silk, Dugast and FMB. But I did'nt think the silk was worth the extra cost and reduced robustness. I'll rethink that somewhat.

Silk rides much nicer. Back "in the day" the ultimate tubulars were Clement Campionato del Mondo Setas. I just could not afford them...

Veloflex Carbon were top of my list. I get on well with their open tubulars. They seem to hit the sweetspot for me in terms of performance vs robustness/cost. But I can get the Dugast cheaper here.

You might want to import them from Germany... Sub 60 EURO/each. Norway is outside the EU so you might be able to get the 19% taken off .. Not sure about Moms these days... but even if it gets added on.. If still under 450 NOK..

Against what baseline? You might want to consider ordering direct as it might be cheaper..
Dugasts used to be really good.. Like the best of the old Wolbers... But the new Dugasts seemed to be less rigid quality.. perhaps they ran low on the old Wolber materials, I think, that Andre was using.. Dugast cross tyres still seem the only game in town but the road tyres have met their match.. FMBs seem to take over now where Andre Dugast left off.. These are the tyres that a lot of pro-riders are even paying out-of-pocket for...

I've seem talk of this on t'interwebs.

You might want to import them from Germany... Sub 60 EURO/each. Norway is outside the EU so you might be able to get the 19% taken off .. Not sure about Moms these days... but even if it gets added on.. If still under 450 NOK..

Thats were I usually shop. Local tax is 25% + £14 process fee. So it needs to be a bargin to start with.

Pit stop worked, but my tub is no longer a tub.

Pit stop worked, but my tub is no longer a tub.

Ab uno disce omnes

Pit stop worked, but my tub is no longer a tub.

In what way?

They are now heavier and quite lumpy in spots. Was I not meant to empty the whole canister?

Depends how big your tub was.

They are now heavier and quite lumpy in spots. Was I not meant to empty the whole canister?

think it recommends half a canister per tub then spin it round slowly to get an even coating.

It's impossible to know how much you've put in though, I've found.

Yeah, think I went all out when I should have just given it a dose. Feels like I'm riding on a solid styrofoam wheel now.

Feels like I'm riding on a solid styrofoam wheel now.

You are.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/12/news/cyclocross/technical-faq-with-lennard-zinn-the-limits-of-sealant_152087

Nieuwhuis confirmed that the only sealant he recommends in his tubulars is indeed Caffélatex because, while it doesn’t fill large holes, it does stay liquid in the tire. He says that he is “not a fan” of Stan’s. He goes on to say, “Stan’s and other sealants with high ammonia content are good products, but after three to four weeks, the sealant starts to dry and is no longer a film.” He says that this destroys the latex inner tube.

Nieuwhuis is also quick to point out the limitations of Caffélatex and all sealants with a quality tubular like a Dugast. He says first of all that sealants won’t protect against snakebites (i.e., pinch flats) or big holes. He also points out that any sealant needs time to fill a hole, and that this is an issue with an inner tube, as opposed to a tubeless tire, whose inner diameter is always the same. The inner tube in a Dugast tubular (and indeed most tubulars and clinchers) is one-third smaller than the inside of the tire. Being elastic, the tube of course stretches more at a weak point (like where it has been punctured), which reduces the chances of the sealant working, especially when the rider starts riding right away again after adding Vittoria Pit Stop or other aerosol sealants.

Furthermore, Dugast offers the service of replacing the inner tube (we saw a method for doing that in this column some months ago) in a tire that has a perfect casing but has suffered a pinch flat. This costs 22 Euros, and the tire is good as new afterward, but not if sealant was used in the inner tube. “The sealant will get smashed around inside the casing, and the tire won’t be as comfortable to ride as it was before,” says Nieuwhuis.

Want to sleep. Can't as layer 3 of conti cement has to go on. Tubulars are a harsh mistress ;)

Tubs on. I actually managed to get one on without help of Le Manfriend.
Extreme cursing helps. Straightening them was the most time-consuming part.

Really curious now how they ride. Need some gubbins for bike, hopefully she/him/it done Wednesday and spin to work Friday.

The latest object of my tyre lust is the FMB Service Course.

Cant find much about them though.

The latest object of my tyre lust is the FMB Service Course.
Cant find much about them though.

What can say.. Zeitgeist.. They are black and have a modern tread. While a better match to some of the current offerngs from Conti and others, I tend to prefer the retro-aesthetic of the CX and PR models.

I've seen them listed at both 280g and 240g for the 22mm. Seems a big difference.

From the vague description. I'm thinking its just a black 22mm CX.

I too love the pale side walls. But not on my road bike.

With glue and delivery the FMBs where simply too expensive.

Having ridden Paves, Masters, and Records, in 'open tubulars' and loved them all. It kinda had to be veloflex.

I've ordered a Veloflex Extreme (22mm, 350tpi, 225g) for the front, and a Veloflex Carbon (22mm, 320tpi, 250g) for the rear. I'd quite happily run extremes front and back around here. But I figured a slightly thicker tread on the back wasnt to be sniffed at.

I also ordered some Conti Carbon rim glue. Which is probably a poor chioce for a tub virgin. But the extra heat resistance was a deal breaker (cant believe its needed. But it cant hurt).

Cheers folks, for the input in this thread.

Can anyone advise please, at 65 my competitive riding days are over i just want a leisurely ride now but the roads around here in the mountains of south west France are very gritty and sometimes we are made to use cycle tracks which is basicaly red ash, no big deal except i am using tubs, my old bike a Jacques Esclasson has sprint rims and i am going through tyres at a rate of knots now i know cycling is a religion here but i cant get any shop to fit clincher rims only sell new wheels and as its all Shimano 600 Arabesque i would like to keep it as near standard as possible do i get a new bike more suitable, have the rims done in the uk as i am going over in September or will Tufo tyres do the job

Continental Gatorskin Sprinters are supposedly very tough, that's why I got a set. No experience with Tufo...anyone? :)

(or indeed go Clincher, have a set of old clincher rims fitted to the 600 hubs they did have them those days)

Can anyone advise please, at 65 my competitive riding days are over .... will Tufo tyres do the job

I would suggest Conti Sprinter Gatorskins or Competition ProTection tyres. Both are quite robust and well suited to gravel. Look for the 25mm versions.

(or indeed go Clincher, have a set of old clincher rims fitted to the 600 hubs they did have them those days)

Clinchers are more fault prone on such roads. All the pot holes are just the thing to get pinch flats. Sharp stones.. they'll cut through what they'll cut through so one wants a heavier duty tyre.. That's what all the Paris-Roubaix tyres are about.

I've never in my whole life had a pinch flat. Lucky me I need to cycle more! :)

Was out on the 22mm Continental Sprinters today, surprisingly comfy!