Dolan Pre Cursa / PreCursa / Track Champion

Precisely - track frame.

No, cheap track frame.

For those who wish to get started on track racing, or skidding like an idiot in London, don't dwell over it.

If you're paying £400+, then dwell as much as you can.

Here's my Pre Cursa in it's current state. Changes including Tortec rack, pannier bag, 19t rear sprocket, brake, and Mash top cap

It's worth pointing out too that a lot of track frames have crank compatibility issues. I had to file an NDS Campy Pista crank just to clear the chainstay on my Mash Bolt. When you take a type of crank designed to have a narrow q-factor and try to put them on frames designed to be as stiff as possible it's not too surprising you're occasionally going to have clearance issues.

It is nice that Dolan is acknowledging the issue, too.

Yep, it's cheap, but it's also perfectly adequate for track racing for the majority of riders, and being a bit rough/blunt/heavy/unrefined makes it all the more suited to skidding about like an idiot. How many branded proper track frames in the same price bracket are as well suited to doing both?
If you're saying 'this is to be expected from something so cheap', then I'd completely agree if we were talking about some cheap unbranded far eastern AliExpress import, but because a supposedly reputable company has staked its reputation on it and cocked-up, there's a legitimate reason to have a little whinge on here*.
(*Particularly if the change was signed-off in an ill conceived attempt to add tyre clearance for fannies).
EDIT: forgot to click 'reply' for @edscoble :-)

but....it is a cheap far eastern frame import....with a logo that says Dolan.

Where did the decals come from?!

Ooh, didn't know you got a rack! How you finding it? I'm finding myself wearing a messenger bag more as the temperatures dip. Would quite like to build another PC for street & commuting, because it's becoming a PITA cleaning mine up and swapping parts every time I want to visit the track.

Yep, I know that... Just wish Dolan payed more attention to their manufacturer's QC before releasing it to the public.

Precisely - track frame. Absolutely no need to comfortably accommodate rubber wider than 23mm.

it's also probably single handed the most common fixie skiddar frame and Dolan know this. Pretty sure that wasn't the point Ed was making either

For those who wish to get started on track racing, or skidding like an
idiot in London, don't dwell over it.

If you're paying £400+, then dwell as much as you can.

Then what point was he making?

I swear people dont get this.

in the scheme of bikes as a whole these cost almost nothing.
and if you think issue like this are rare you are simply uninformed.
Fuji made a whole batch of FTPs that couldnt take larger than like a 46t chain ring.
Orbea made a bunch of track frames that the front wheel touched the downtube with fork rakes under 50degrees. it goes on and on, its a small market, they dont care.

they dont care.

this. Dolan can't even be bothered to measure their frames and give proper sizing. Omniums come with BB spacers, you probably wont explode if you use them

You also get 74-75degree headangle for free ...! (isnt in the geo chart)

Ed knows plenty about this stuff, so I assume that was aimed at me.
I understand the economics at play perfectly well also.
They may indeed not care, but Dolan is still a small, family-run, UK-based business, so given their large base of skidder customers, it is likely that someone in Ormskirk will occasionally cast an eye over this thread. Hence, this is as good a place as any to acknowledge when they mess something up, in the hope that somebody at the showroom will take note.
To imply that we, as naive consumers should just 'spend more on something else' or 'suck it up' is unhelpful and counterproductive.

I think you might be giving Dolan a bit too much credit tbh.

Someone dig out the story of Terry headbutting someone

Haha, never heard about that one!
He is on Twitter (well, allegedly him), and likes to repost a tagged image if it's one of his bikes he likes the look of, so it wouldn't be too mad to presume he's also lurking on here.

Let me repeat what @B0N0R said;

I think you might be giving Dolan a bit too much credit tbh.

Seriously, they're not a high end maquee with well made frames, they're just a moderately sized bicycle company that get their frames from the far east and slap their logos, maybe they have a hand in designing the frame, maybe not.

To imply that we, as naive consumers should just 'spend more on something else' or 'suck it up' is unhelpful and counterproductive.

Not really, it is a very cheap and crude track frameset, and you're expecting them to be as well made as a Condor Lavoro.

It is adequate for those who wish to get started in track racing, but that's it, it is one of the hire bike in the Manchester Velodrome after all.

^^ What made you think I didn't already understand this?
^ See post #3240. There's a difference between something that's 'well made', and something that's made in accordance with its engineering drawing.

For someone who orders a frame, waits excitedly for its arrival, finds their cranks foul the chainstays on assembly, then seeks advice on here, to be told they 'should have bought a better frame' is apathetic and totally useless.

Omniums come with BB spacers, you probably wont explode if you use them

So use a spacer or a different crankset. It's not a big deal. Cheap stuff doesn't always fit right.

I get the feeling you chaps prefer to deal with the result of a problem, instead of tackling it at its source.

Dolan are still meant to be reputable bike seller. If you're on here claiming you'd be patient and understanding when your new track frame (redesigned, no less) turned out to be incompatible with the most popular track cranks without any type of disclaimer, I'd like to call bullshit. I don't think @Lukas is overreacting at all.

It's a budget frame for sure, but the perceived lack of quality control or oversight is a bad look for Dolan.

popular track cranks without any type of disclaimer, I'd like to call bullshit.

They have offer return (according to the first person with this issues on here), and put up a disclaimer on their website.