Israel / Palestine

“I pray for peace — no more rockets from Gaza and no more bombs falling down on the people of Gaza. God, protect the children,” he said.

The initial boos against him quickly turned into chants of “no ceasefire”

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/11/15/no-ceasefire-israel-supporters-gather-in-washington-dc-amid-gaza-war

Nice to see a pro-war rally for a change.

The headline speaker was some mad pastor who has said that God sent Hitler to help the Jews go back to Israel...

israel presenting a a handul of rifles and boots which wouldn't cover equipment for the armed police of a small london hospital and not having a translator able to decipher the days of the week in arabic, as reason they sieged a hospital, sniped patients through the windows, blew up ambulences and shelled the surrounding areas; wards. after claiming intelegence of complex tunnel networks, a constant stream of hamas using ambulences in and out of the location at all hours and a hamas command centre, really makes you think they might not be as "precise" and "informed" as they say.

might also make you doubt other claims.

one, taking a kinder reading than they deserve, might assume they've dehuminaised the palestinian people to the extent that that they're making assumptions based on a simulacrum of their own propaganda of what their oponent is/would be doing - that their military forces are far more used to a violent armed apartheid of a civilian population than it is intelegence gathering and millitary planning.

or on the other hand, the current government might be doing a 19th century style western colonialism in the present day.

shameful that our own government continues to arm these attacks, continues to allow them to justify this senseless collective punishment and ethnic cleansing under the guise of "sophisticated millitary operations".

should be noted their presenting of evidence mirroring that of the met or US police forces presenting small collections of weapons or contraband as justification for their continued harrassment and violence towards communities is no coincidence. the training is shared between all forces, the ideology, the racist subjegation that underpins the dehuminisation is shared between all forces, the ignorance towards solving the causes is deliberate accross all forces. the idf closer resembles a millitarised police force than it does an army, both operationally and tactically, which is why it is operating as such.

it also spurs images of iraq where america and the uk never found weapons of mass destruction, but they'd parade the vastly smaller, less advanced arsenals of a conventionally armed state as some form of "exceptionally violent tools" for western media. a veil to disguise why their children were dying abroard, why their children were killing the children of iraqi citizens. all so wester colonialist states could achieve their domestic interests at the expense of their own citizens, and the ones they senslessly, extrajudicially and illegally murder and invade.

shameful unjustafiable scenes, as the families of those who were kidnapped in the oct 7th attacks march for peace, make it clear a cesasfire is the only option. the violence we saw on that shocking day cannot be used to justify the actions of the israeli leadership in response. it was clear in the immidiate aftermath, and every day since it becomes painfully clearer yet.

My favourite part is the box of dates they included that come from a farm in California...in the country with no open borders.

Convenient blockade of network just as the intensity of the “search” increases.

Really?

They've deleted the tweets with obviously faked videos, expect more later.

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If you go by the usual maths, we're about half way through the killing of Palestinians in this invasion. (This century, Israel has killed about 20 Palestinians per dead Israeli. 1200 died in the Hamas invasion, so the quota of dead Palestinians is about 24000. It seems 12000 have been killed so far. All numbers subject to verification etc.)

According to Jeremy Bowen, the Israeli military always talks of two clocks running when they are killing Palestinians. One is military: how long do they need before they accomplish their military objectives? The other is diplomatic: how long does Israel hold legitimacy to carry out that operation before its allies say, "you've killed enough people, civilians, you need to stop now please." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67426546

The worst person you know just made a great point ... (Tiktok viewing proxy) https://proxitok.pussthecat.org/@placeholder/video/ZGeJrRvJt

Technology fail, clickbait fail. Can't you just type what he said?

What's not working?

Your link, it doesn't play

The Tiktok proxy

That's weird, it's working fine for me, sorry. Here's the original link then - https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeJrRvJt/

The point anyway is that the killing and displacement of Palestinians is more likely to drive them into the arms of Hamas than it is to diminish their numbers long term.

And why make it so cumbersome and clickbaity, when you could just TYPE WHAT HE SAID?

And after all that it's just a statement of the bleedin' obvious.

Sadly it's a point that seems to be evading a lot of world leaders, who refuse to back a ceasefire.

Re. specific images, right now we have a court case in the UK where the SAS is accused of planting weapons on dead civilians to justify extra-judicial killings.

I do find myself wondering, trying to keep an "open" mind, what level of evidence I would find compelling from either side. Edit: I mean about contested claims.

It's obviously compounded by the fog of "war", but I feel like Israel must recognise that they need to provide something more substantial than what they are currently showing

what level of evidence I would find compelling from either side

the evidence available that Gaza has been bombed to f***, denied access to fuel, water, food, medical supplies and other essentials feels quite well established.

Oh, yes, absolutely ( I was on the march on Saturday calling for a ceasefire). I meant the more contested claims (re. using hospitals as military bases etc).

right - understood. i didn't get the full context.

thank you for clarifying.

Let's not forget the euphemism of occupied territories.

Why? What's the downside for them? They've released official statements calling Gaza residents animals and been bombing hospitals for 2 weeks. What's the downside for them? Their biggest supporter, the USA, is being run by religious zealots trying to bring about the literal end of the world

Bonus points for using zealots.